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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Deliciousness
Date: 5 Feb 2013 10:30:54
Message: <511125ae$1@news.povray.org>
On 05/02/2013 02:53 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> Perhaps my next project should be to sit down and compute the calorific
> value of those lemon cakes I keep making. (I doubt the value changes
> significantly due to cooking...)

Some randomly-selected food items, sorted by calorific value per 100g:

   126 kcal   White rice.
   147 kcal   Eggs. (~70 kcal per egg.)
   256 kcal   Blackcurrant jam.
   263 kcal   Minced beef.
   302 kcal   Lemon curd.
   313 kcal   Brown self-raising flour.
   335 kcal   White self-raising flour.
   400 kcal   Sugar (doesn't appear to matter which kind).
   410 kcal   Cheddar cheese.
   410 kcal   Flora margarine.
   680 kcal   Stork solid butter.

I also managed to find out that the milk we buy is 207 kcal / 100ml. 
Now, if I know how many ml there is in 100g...

Anyway, based on the above data, we can compute the total calorific 
value of one of my lemon cakes:

   250g flour  =   837.5 kcal
   250g sugar  = 1,000.0 kcal
   250g butter = 1,700.0 kcal
      3 eggs   =   210.0 kcal
                 3,747.5 kcal for the cake mix

   1 jar of lemon curd is 400g, so half a jar is 200g.
   200g lemon curd  =   604.0 kcal
   400g icing sugar = 1,600.0 kcal
                      5,951.5 kcal final total

If each person eats a 1/12th slice, that's 496 kcal per slice.

Now compute how many months you would have to run non-stop to burn that 
many calories. Yeah, exactly.


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Deliciousness
Date: 5 Feb 2013 10:36:05
Message: <511126e5$1@news.povray.org>
On 05/02/2013 03:30 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> 3,747.5 kcal for the cake mix
>
> 1 jar of lemon curd is 400g, so half a jar is 200g.
> 200g lemon curd = 604.0 kcal
> 400g icing sugar = 1,600.0 kcal
> 5,951.5 kcal final total

I believe I may have miscomputed here.

The layer of buttercream in the middle is 100g butter and 200g icing 
sugar. It probably takes another 200g icing sugar to do the top. So that 
gives us

    200g lemon curd  =   604.0 kcal
    400g icing sugar = 1,600.0 kcal
    100g butter      =   680.0 kcal
                       6,641.5 kcal for the whole cake
                         553.5 kcal per slice


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Supercalorific
Date: 5 Feb 2013 11:08:54
Message: <51112e96$1@news.povray.org>
On 2/5/2013 7:53 AM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Fun thing #1: When people say "only fifty calories", apparently they
> /actually/ mean 50 kcal - i.e., 50,000 calories. This weirds me out
> slightly.
>
In a similar vein of questionable advertising/labeling:

http://skepchick.org/2013/02/centrum-silver-has-been-studied/

Rule #1 - Never say anything that isn't true, but.. never actually say 
what **IS** true either.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Supercalorific
Date: 5 Feb 2013 11:13:00
Message: <51112f8c@news.povray.org>
Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> More importantly, I love to dance, and it frustrates the living hell out 
> of me that I can only dance for about 45 seconds before I'm so utterly 
> dead that I can barely stand up any more. That being the case, stamina 
> is something I want to work on.

I think we have had this conversation before, and back then you didn't
seem to believe me (or want to believe me, or whatever.)

If you want to get in good shape and gain stamina, so that you can dance
for more than 45 seconds, what you need is about 1 hour of aerobic exercise
5 or 6 times a week.

If you are in horrible shape, you achieve this by walking every day about
7 to 10 km at a good pace in one go (you have to end up sweating). You need
good shoes for this.

After 3 to 6 months you might be able to start jogging, and that's the
perfect continuation to this regime.

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From: scott
Subject: Re: Supercalorific
Date: 5 Feb 2013 11:27:33
Message: <511132f5$1@news.povray.org>
> Right now I have a cold. But for the last few days, I've been running 1
> mile every night. That's 10 minutes of running at 6 MPH. Sounds easy,
> right? Well let me tell you, by the end of those 10 minutes - no, wait,
> *before* the end of those 10 minutes, I am absurdly exhausted.

Go slower and further - once you have built up to 3 or 4 miles at a 
slower pace you'll find if you go back to 1 mile you can do it a lot 
faster without much effort. Get a heart rate monitor watch that beeps 
above a certain limit, it helps to control your speed and stop you 
getting worn out too quickly.

> According to this machine, my flabby 180 lbs pounding the treadmill at 6
> MPH burns about 15 kcal per minute. So a 1 mile run burns off a 150 kcal.

But when compared to what your body burns off anyway during the day 
without any exercise (around 2500 kcal) running 1 mile doesn't really 
allow you to eat significantly more than if you didn't run.

> Now look at that bottle of coke in my hand. "47 kcal", it says. So just
> by having a drink when I'm done, I've completely negated 30% of that
> mile. No, wait a sec - that's 47 kcal per 100 ml! But this isn't a 100
> ml bottle - it's 550 ml. So that's... uh... 258 kcal!

That's why there's a million diet options available - the 600 ml bottle 
of pepsi max here on my desk has 100x less calories :-)

> It seems crystal clear to be that the /only/ reason the manufacturers
> would possibly do this is so that they can print smaller, less
> frightening numbers on the packet.

That reasoning doesn't explain then why they put the values per 250 ml 
serving on the front of drinks, when they could put the values per 100 
ml instead. I wonder if there is a set of "standard" serving sizes?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Supercalorific
Date: 5 Feb 2013 11:52:12
Message: <511138bc$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:53:12 +0000, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> It would be nice to walk around with an impressive set of bulging
> muscles.
> But obviously that's impossible. (I mean, unless you quit your job and
> become a full-time body-builder - and how has the money to do that?)

Yes, nobody in the world ever built muscles without being a full-time 
bodybuilder. m-/

(I have a former boss who was a distance runner - he had something like 
5% body fat, ran marathons, but it wasn't his full time job.)

What have we said before about these absolutist declarations that 
something must *obviously* be impossible except/unless one makes the goal 
the only thing in their life?

Oh, yeah - that that's usually entirely false.

Jim


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Supercalorific
Date: 5 Feb 2013 12:11:42
Message: <51113d4e$1@news.povray.org>
> Yes, nobody in the world ever built muscles without being a full-time
> bodybuilder. m-/
>
> (I have a former boss who was a distance runner - he had something like
> 5% body fat, ran marathons, but it wasn't his full time job.)

I have a crazy guy who sits next to me in our office (so again training 
is not his full time job). He's going to run the London marathon this 
year, but for him that is just a warm up for the iron man triathlon he's 
doing later in the year. In case you don't know (I didn't until I looked 
it up) it's 2.4 miles swimming, 112 miles cycling and then a full 
marathon running. That probably will burn a few days worth of calories :-)


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Deliciousness
Date: 5 Feb 2013 14:15:33
Message: <51115a55$1@news.povray.org>

> On 05/02/2013 02:53 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
>> Perhaps my next project should be to sit down and compute the calorific
>> value of those lemon cakes I keep making. (I doubt the value changes
>> significantly due to cooking...)
>
> Some randomly-selected food items, sorted by calorific value per 100g:
>
>    126 kcal   White rice.
>    147 kcal   Eggs. (~70 kcal per egg.)
>    256 kcal   Blackcurrant jam.
>    263 kcal   Minced beef.
>    302 kcal   Lemon curd.
>    313 kcal   Brown self-raising flour.
>    335 kcal   White self-raising flour.
>    400 kcal   Sugar (doesn't appear to matter which kind).
>    410 kcal   Cheddar cheese.
>    410 kcal   Flora margarine.
>    680 kcal   Stork solid butter.
>
> I also managed to find out that the milk we buy is 207 kcal / 100ml.
> Now, if I know how many ml there is in 100g...
>

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/AliciaNoelleJones.shtml


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Supercalorific
Date: 5 Feb 2013 14:26:00
Message: <51115cc8@news.povray.org>
Le 2013-02-05 12:11, scott a écrit :
> He's going to run the London marathon this
> year, but for him that is just a warm up for the iron man triathlon he's
> doing later in the year.

My spinning coach is going to try to run 30 ironmans (ironmen?) in 30 
days, next fall.  In 2008 he completed 10 ironmen in 11days 6 hrs and 
last oct, he did 5 in 73 hours 40mins.  He's currently the 2nd 
utlratriathlete in the world.

http://www.iutasport.com/?page=worldcup

And that's on top of his full time job in a hospital and his part time 
job as a spinning and running coach.

But of course, that's impossible.
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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Supercalorific
Date: 5 Feb 2013 15:09:49
Message: <5111670d@news.povray.org>
On 05/02/2013 04:09 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:

> Rule #1 - Never say anything that isn't true, but.. never actually say
> what **IS** true either.

Ah yes, the lies without lying. Gotta love that!

Although I have to say, the beauty products with the string of 
sciency-sounding "technology" names are the ones that really annoy me. 
You can take a block of lard and call it "Novo(tm) triglyceride 
formulation with sodium ion technology(r)", but that doesn't make it 
actually /do/ anything different to what a normal block of lard does...


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