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Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
> When you see a job advertised, you don't know who the company is. (If
> you did, you could just phone them up, and then the agency wouldn't get
>
For several years, I haven't applied for such jobs. Just because I like
to know who and what I'm negotiating with. I might have missed a great
job, OTOH they might have missed me. Granted, I would be so harsh if I
was unemployed, but as long as I have a good job, I think I'm allowed to
be picky.
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, so there's probably less
applicants for such jobs, therefore easier to be number one.
> Last I heard, /most/ people fail at /most/ interviews. It takes many
> hundred thousand interviews before a hire occurs. Which, given that so
> far I've been to 2 interviews this lifetime, doesn't bode well...
Once again: correct your attitude. If you don't get hired from an
interview, that only means you didn't appear to them as The Best of The
Best of The Best. Sir! There might be many, many reasons and the best
thing is that you don't actually know them, so you can always just think
"Nah, they probably hired the bosses son/cousing/lover/addhere" and
forget that job and move on. If you don't get the job, it doesn't mean
you failed nor you are hopeless - it *just* means they liked someone
more than you. Simple as that, end of story, check your calendar for the
next interview and try harder.
-Aero
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On 8/4/2012 15:04, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> - I'm the one and only computer guy in a company full of lab guys.
All the better. They only have one person to recommend when their new boss
says "hey, were there any computer guys laid off?"
> - I live in a different city.
You may have to ease yourself out of your comfort zone.
> - I'm at a different life stage. (They're all married with children, for
> example.)
That doesn't matter for jobs.
> I've never really fitted in at work.
See #1.
No, really, print up some business cards and pass out a few to everyone at
work with your personal cell phone number on them. Let the folks you work
with, your local friends, etc pass them around.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
"Don't panic. There's beans and filters
in the cabinet."
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Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
This:
> Only a
> tiny fraction of the people here live in the same country.
and this:
> - I live in a different city.
are actually partly played out by this:
> - I'm at a different life stage. (They're all married with children, for
> example.)
You don't have family. You don't own a house. That means it's physically
easier for you to move than for them. Put out an EU-wide search for the
websites and check the intresting jobs that you find. See where they
are, and then check the environment out there. What activities/hobbies
etc are available, how are people out there, how does the place look
like. Just think if you could see yourself living there, even for a
small while. If yes, apply. If you don't like living there, just move
back. At least you'll have more experience and at the next interviews
you can say you've worked - or at least checked - at <name the place here>.
-Aero
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clipka wrote:
> Am 05.08.2012 00:07, schrieb Jim Henderson:
> > On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 22:53:36 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> >
> >>>>> Congratulations, you just discovered another soft skill of yours:
> >>>>> Honesty and trustworthiness.
> ...
> >>>> +1 - and there are employers who consider that highly valuable.
> >>
> >> There are employers who DON'T highly v-
> >
> > Sure. Do you really want to work for someone who doesn't value those
> > traits?
>
> Word!
Doesn't that depend on how much they're paying and how desperate you are?
Consider the financial services industry. They appear to value, very, very
highly, those who can think up new and creative ways to defraud people.
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On 8/4/2012 15:39, Eero Ahonen wrote:
> it *just* means they liked someone more than you.
Or that they hired nobody at all, either because the job shouldn't have been
advertised in the first place, or because they're too picky anyway.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
"Don't panic. There's beans and filters
in the cabinet."
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:57:27 -0400, waggy wrote:
> clipka wrote:
>> Am 05.08.2012 00:07, schrieb Jim Henderson:
>> > On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 22:53:36 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>> Congratulations, you just discovered another soft skill of yours:
>> >>>>> Honesty and trustworthiness.
>> ...
>> >>>> +1 - and there are employers who consider that highly valuable.
>> >>
>> >> There are employers who DON'T highly v-
>> >
>> > Sure. Do you really want to work for someone who doesn't value those
>> > traits?
>>
>> Word!
>
> Doesn't that depend on how much they're paying and how desperate you
> are?
Personally, I don't think so. But I've never been so desperate as to
have to compromise my principles for pay.
> Consider the financial services industry. They appear to value, very,
> very highly, those who can think up new and creative ways to defraud
> people.
I don't think I could work in that industry at all because of that - I
wouldn't even consider looking at it as a career option because it's an
industry that's all about greed, and I don't see greed as a virtue.
Jim
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:03:29 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 8/4/2012 15:39, Eero Ahonen wrote:
>> it *just* means they liked someone more than you.
>
> Or that they hired nobody at all, either because the job shouldn't have
> been advertised in the first place, or because they're too picky anyway.
I had that experience once recently. Flew to Portland for an in-person
interview, and they ended up saying I clearly had the skills, but not the
"passion for their company or product" (I think that's how they put it).
<shrug> Their loss, I'd have done a damned good job for them. They
ended up calling a former coworker back and after 30 minutes talking to
him, decided (a second time) that he wasn't right for the job, and they
opted to not fill it rather than fill it with someone who had all the
skills they were looking for but not the 'enthusiasm'.
I guess I didn't jump up and down enough and say "oh my gawd, you have
the best products EVAH!!!!!" - because I felt I was pretty enthusiastic.
But I was so much in shock when they said they were terminating the
process before I talked to their CEO (a meeting that, if it had happened,
would have had me missing the flight out that they had booked for me -
which makes me wonder how serious they actually were or if they were
looking for free consulting) that I didn't ask any intelligent questions.
Maybe they expected me to fight for it. I thought it had gone pretty
well.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:57:27 -0400, waggy wrote:
> > Doesn't that depend on how much they're paying and how desperate you
> > are?
>
> Personally, I don't think so. But I've never been so desperate as to
> have to compromise my principles for pay.
>
I hope you never are.
Although being just shy of living on the streets did help me figure out exactly
what my principles are, before selling a few.
> > Consider the financial services industry. They appear to value, very,
> > very highly, those who can think up new and creative ways to defraud
> > people.
>
> I don't think I could work in that industry at all because of that - I
> wouldn't even consider looking at it as a career option because it's an
> industry that's all about greed, and I don't see greed as a virtue.
>
Stay away from the US health care industry, too. "Pay us money or you and your
loved ones will suffer and die needlessly," is pretty much the definition of
extortion.
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On 05/08/2012 5:05 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Doesn't that depend on how much they're paying and how desperate you
>> >are?
> Personally, I don't think so. But I've never been so desperate as to
> have to compromise my principles for pay.
>
Lucky you.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 04/08/2012 10:37 PM, andrel wrote:
> - do not have a problem posting about internal issues in your company
I do not believe that this is a plus point for employers. ;-)
--
Regards
Stephen
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