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On 22-2-2012 17:25, Warp wrote:
> Invisible<voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
>> Trying to set up my printer was necessarily difficult.
>
> What do you need a printer for?
>
We have been forced to think about that too in our hospital.
Today someone came and collected most of the printers in the staffrooms
and half the printers used by the entire department. Collected as in
taking without permission. He did it on orders of our board of
directors. They have made a deal with a copier manufacturer to supply
the hospital with multifunctional copier/printer/scanners*. Part of the
deal is apparently to remove all competing printers from the entire
hospital. Unless we can prove that we really really need them.
The reasoning why this 'theft' is allowed is that all (actually most)
equipment is bought via the 'buying department' (if that is the english
term) hence they are hospital property.
Note that the multifunctionals can only be reached via windows XP and
you need IE to install it, FF does not work. We have a fair amount of
Macs, Win7 and Linux machines**. I guess that is why they let us keep
the big department printer for now.
Question: what 3 letter acronym is applicable here?
*) Scanning to USB stick is supported, but does in most cases not work.
The copiers are slow as hell.
**) not many IPads or other tablets as the IT department does not think
it is useful to have wireless in a research department.
--
tip: do not run in an unknown place when it is too dark to see the
floor, unless you prefer to not use uppercase.
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On 23/02/2012 21:36, andrel wrote:
> They have made a deal with a copier manufacturer to supply
> the hospital with multifunctional copier/printer/scanners*. Part of the
> deal is apparently to remove all competing printers from the entire
> hospital. Unless we can prove that we really really need them.
> Note that the multifunctionals can only be reached via windows XP and
> you need IE to install it, FF does not work. We have a fair amount of
> Macs, Win7 and Linux machines**. I guess that is why they let us keep
> the big department printer for now.
I guess that is why all competing products have to be removed first. :-P
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On 2/23/2012 2:10 AM, Invisible wrote:
> On 22/02/2012 11:17 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>
>> Snort. Got a similar problem. The "scanner" software for something Win7
>> detected shows two versions. One doesn't work, and the other crashes,
>> but *only* when using the companies own on-scanner button configuration
>> thing, which Windows couldn't auto-install. Using someone else's
>> application, and picking the correctly installed "version" of the device
>> lets me copy direct to printer, but only at low resolutions. I haven't
>> bothered to even try to fix the problem... Bloody stupid OS.
>
> If a 3rd party driver won't install, I'm not so sure that's a problem
> with the OS.
Well, in this case, it sort of is the OS. Its "installing" a driver, but
not the software, and doing it wrong, when "automatically" doing so.
Now, I agree, to a point, in that "most" drivers, like for video, for
example, you install over the prior one, and since its not a new device,
it simply replaces the old one, and fixes what ever is wrong. And, that
*is* a problem with 3rd party, when it doesn't work.
In this case, its sort of a combination of problems. The "default"
driver may/may not have been replaced, the system might have
"redetected" it as new, when the correct one was added, or, who the hell
knows. But, the original cause was Windows installing something that
didn't work, and the update failing to fix the problem.
You get that *way* too often in Windows imho. lol
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On 2/23/2012 13:12, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> PSU. I've never seen this before... what the heck?
You have something plugged in that claims it's bootable but isn't. This
happens (for example) if I leave my kindle or cell phone plugged into the
usb when I reboot. By cycling the PSU, you're removing power from whatever
is plugged in, and it's not ready to say "yes I'm bootable" before the BIOS
gets past that point.
HTH!
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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>> If a 3rd party driver won't install, I'm not so sure that's a problem
>> with the OS.
> You get that *way* too often in Windows imho. lol
Well, I think it's just the case that since there's more software for
Windows, more of it is naff.
Some people tell you that open source software is much higher quality.
And then you have things like KLogic, which randomly crashes for no
apparent reason, and /gives the wrong answer/ in some of the
simulations, unless you save and then reload the file... So, yeah, naff
software exists in the open source world too.
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On 24/02/2012 03:35 AM, Darren New wrote:
> On 2/23/2012 13:12, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> PSU. I've never seen this before... what the heck?
>
> You have something plugged in that claims it's bootable but isn't. This
> happens (for example) if I leave my kindle or cell phone plugged into
> the usb when I reboot. By cycling the PSU, you're removing power from
> whatever is plugged in, and it's not ready to say "yes I'm bootable"
> before the BIOS gets past that point.
>
> HTH!
I can't imagine my printer, MIDI interface or soundcard claiming to be
bootable. But then, those are the only things I've added, so it must be
one of them.
Since this problem has never happened before, I can only imagine it's
some sort of BIOS glitch. Who knows, perhaps there's an update for that?
Otherwise, I'm going to have to try removing devices until I figure out
what's causing it.
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Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > I don't see what someone would use a printer for. It just sounds so
> > obsolete nowadays, in the same way as floppy disks or RS-232 ports.
> I am astounded that you would think that paper is obsolete.
> I mean, sure, people have been /talking/ about going paperless for
> decades. And yet... we're still surrounded by paper. Heck, it's been
> possible to read documents on a computer since before I was even born,
> and yet book shops still sell thousands of paper books per day. Hell,
> today we even have specialised e-readers, devices which exist solely for
> the purpose of reading stuff. And yet, paper books are still vastly more
> popular. Because, you know what? Paper is more convenient than any
> computer screen.
You still didn't answer my question...
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- Warp
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Am 24.02.2012 13:11, schrieb Warp:
>> I mean, sure, people have been /talking/ about going paperless for
>> decades. And yet... we're still surrounded by paper. Heck, it's been
>> possible to read documents on a computer since before I was even born,
>> and yet book shops still sell thousands of paper books per day. Hell,
>> today we even have specialised e-readers, devices which exist solely for
>> the purpose of reading stuff. And yet, paper books are still vastly more
>> popular. Because, you know what? Paper is more convenient than any
>> computer screen.
>
> You still didn't answer my question...
Oh, did he not? Do you really need him to rephrase that into something
more personal, say, "I find paper more convenient than any computer screen"?
C'mon, Warp. You're just being a brick-head again right now.
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On 2/24/2012 2:00 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>> If a 3rd party driver won't install, I'm not so sure that's a problem
>>> with the OS.
>
>> You get that *way* too often in Windows imho. lol
>
> Well, I think it's just the case that since there's more software for
> Windows, more of it is naff.
>
> Some people tell you that open source software is much higher quality.
> And then you have things like KLogic, which randomly crashes for no
> apparent reason, and /gives the wrong answer/ in some of the
> simulations, unless you save and then reload the file... So, yeah, naff
> software exists in the open source world too.
True, but, at least in principle, you can figure out what the fuck went
wrong, and submit a fix for it. MS and all their 3rd party cronies (and
yes, slapping "Designed for XP/Vista/Windows 7" on the box makes you a
crony), quite often won't even acknowledge that some problem even exist,
or that your could possibly be having one, never mind fix it.
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>> Some people tell you that open source software is much higher quality.
>> And then you have things like KLogic, which randomly crashes for no
>> apparent reason, and /gives the wrong answer/ in some of the
>> simulations, unless you save and then reload the file... So, yeah, naff
>> software exists in the open source world too.
> True, but, at least in principle, you can figure out what the fuck went
> wrong, and submit a fix for it.
Yes - but only if you understand C and/or C++. :-P
> MS and all their 3rd party cronies (and
> yes, slapping "Designed for XP/Vista/Windows 7" on the box makes you a
> crony), quite often won't even acknowledge that some problem even exist,
> or that your could possibly be having one, never mind fix it.
Whereas if you submit a bug to an open source project (assuming there is
a bug tracker or even a way to /contact/ the developers), they will
either mark it as WONTFIX or reply with "patches welcome".
This /also/ does not fix the problem.
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