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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
> So tell us, what should this woman have done? Just lived with the injury
> because the healthcare system is broken and she's not in a personal
> position to fix it?
What exactly are you suggesting?
Imagine that she had a pure accident where no other person was involved.
Maybe she was walking in the wild and a tree branch fell over her. What
should she do? Sue somebody until someone pays her bills?
If you live in a country where an accident can leave you crippled for
the rest of your life because you don't have money to fix yourself, then
perhaps it would be better to move to some other country. It's not like
you would have to move very far. I hear the public health care system in
Canada is pretty ok.
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymous org> wrote:
> That woman has no way of repairing the
> healthcare system, so what else would you expect her to do than sue someone?
Move to Canada? (No, that was not a joke.)
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On 20/02/2012 03:08 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 20.02.2012 15:06, schrieb Invisible:
>> I know a lady called Sue. She seldom seems happy...
>
> Neither was the Boy Named Sue...
Haha! Oh man... that was damned funny.
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Am 20.02.2012 16:35, schrieb Warp:
> andrel<byt### [at] gmail com> wrote:
>> In the Netherlands the heirs inherit everything a person owns including
>> his debts.
>
> Imagine someone is living his life just minding his own business,
> doing his work, paying his taxes and contributing to society as a good
> citizen. Then some official comes to him and says "hey, your uncle,
> which you have never even heard of, just died and you are his only
> heir, so you inherit everything." This guy is like "cool! How much do
> I get?" "Nothing. Your uncle had ten millions in debt, and now it's
> yours. I'm here to collect or put you in jail if you can't pay."
>
> Nice.
>
> (And no, I don't know how it's in Finland.)
In Germany, as an heir you can choose to decline the inheritance, in
which case the other heirs get a bigger share; if there are no other
heirs (or they decline as well), the government gets everything
(including the debts).
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On 20-2-2012 16:56, clipka wrote:
> Am 20.02.2012 16:35, schrieb Warp:
>> andrel<byt### [at] gmail com> wrote:
>>> In the Netherlands the heirs inherit everything a person owns including
>>> his debts.
>>
>> Imagine someone is living his life just minding his own business,
>> doing his work, paying his taxes and contributing to society as a good
>> citizen. Then some official comes to him and says "hey, your uncle,
>> which you have never even heard of, just died and you are his only
>> heir, so you inherit everything." This guy is like "cool! How much do
>> I get?" "Nothing. Your uncle had ten millions in debt, and now it's
>> yours. I'm here to collect or put you in jail if you can't pay."
>>
>> Nice.
>>
>> (And no, I don't know how it's in Finland.)
>
> In Germany, as an heir you can choose to decline the inheritance, in
> which case the other heirs get a bigger share; if there are no other
> heirs (or they decline as well), the government gets everything
> (including the debts).
Same here. I should have mentioned that. I am not sure if declining an
inheritance means that you can not even keep purely personal things like
photographs and clothes.
In a case like this you will have to wait till you know the verdict
before accepting or rejecting. I think you have half a year to decide,
but think of not being able to do anything with somebody's belongings
and then after that period opening all the boxes.
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On 2/19/2012 23:24, andrel wrote:
> Why would you beat on the relatives that recently suffered a great loss and
> are is no way responsible for what occurred?
It's not the relatives getting sued. It's the estate of the dead person,
which means basically she's petitioning a judge to sign a check on behalf of
the dead person to pay her back for her medical expenses. There's no need
for the relatives to even hear about the lawsuit, technically. It's just a
thing that goes through probate along with the rest of the inheritance
process. It's really no more discombobulating than having the people
inheriting some real-estate property going to the judge saying "please sign
a deed that gives the heirs the ownership of the house."
Remember that a "lawsuit" doesn't necessarily even mean someone is
contesting something. It just means you're asking the judge to apply some law.
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On 2/20/2012 0:09, andrel wrote:
> In the Netherlands the heirs inherit everything a person owns including his
> debts.
That sounds like an awful system. I certainly don't want to be responsible
for the debts of whatever random person might have named me as an heir. I
think you're likely oversimplifying, tho.
> If otoh the system works in such a way that the medical and other costs must
> come from his personal belongings, you might argue that he does not need it
> anymore anyway.
It comes from his estate, which is his possessions left over after he's dead.
> Still this wasn't a case of suicide and in the eyes of a simple European not
> even a case of negligence,
Right. If you read, the court already decided it's a case of negilgence on
the part of the dead kid, and not on the part of amtrack.
> *) she might as well be hit by the remains of a deer crossing the line. Oh
> no, that wouldn't work as just bad luck. She could sue Amtrak for not
> preventing the deer from going on the track...
She tried that. And indeed, that's how the system works here. For unlikely
stuff like this, the business is supposed to have insurance.
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On 2/20/2012 7:30, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
>> Not just "someone." The person who actually injured you. Don't hyperbole and
>> it'll make more sense.
>
> You make it sound like that person did it on purpose and hence is guilty
> of a crime.
No, but you don't have to be guilty of a crime to be responsible for your
actions. If I accidentally crash my car into your parked car, who pays the
repair bills? Does your insurance rate go up because you parked in my way?
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On 2/20/2012 7:38, Warp wrote:
> Jim Henderson<nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>> So tell us, what should this woman have done? Just lived with the injury
>> because the healthcare system is broken and she's not in a personal
>> position to fix it?
>
> What exactly are you suggesting?
We're suggesting that this is the normal way one goes about getting
compensated for the injurious behavior of others in the USA.
If you were on the train, and the seat collapsed and broke your leg because
they never maintained it, wouldn't you want them to pay to cure you? Why is
it different just because it's a teenager?
> Imagine that she had a pure accident where no other person was involved.
> Maybe she was walking in the wild and a tree branch fell over her. What
> should she do? Sue somebody until someone pays her bills?
No, but in this case, it *was* someone else's fault.
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On 2/20/2012 2:51, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> I'm from an area where the death of one party automatically close all
> the pending trials involving that person, as well as ending all
> contracts (excepted the explicit death-related ones which changes phases).
The same is true in the USA. But this is a new lawsuit against the estate of
the deceased, and it's a tort, so it's neither a pending trial nor a contract.
> As long as it remains alive, no difference from a ball or a body part.
> As soon as he's dead, no difference either here: you cannot sue a dead
> person.
She's not suing a dead person. She's suing the estate, which means she's
asking the judge to sign a check on behalf of the dead person.
Say someone owns a house, and dies, and leaves it to you in their will. How
do you take ownership? Answer: You go to the judge and get him to sign a
deed on the dead person's behalf transferring the house into your ownership.
Same thing here: She's asking the judge to tell the kid's insurance company
or bank to sign a check on behalf of the kid to pay for her injuries.
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