Le 13/02/2012 10:23, Invisible a écrit :
> V-Day, of course, is the single most expensive day of the entire year on
> which to buy flowers. Just for giggles, I had a look at the Interflora
> website. I gasped at the price of £25 for a single red rose.


Sanity check: Northern hemisphere, V-Day is in WINTER.

Roses are not flowering naturally in winter.
Even flowers from tree waits a bit for mid-March in south of Europe.

Your single rose is going to take a plane from southern hemisphere (or
come from a dedicated greenhouse with a 6 month shift... nah!).

It will be coated in chemical for "optimal" conservation before taking
its plane and have its very own cardboard-box.

Volume in a plane are cost.

the bunch of roses @ £3 took a boat or share a box for the plane, after
an even deeper chemical bath too. They are not expected to last more
than a few days after purchase (yet, they have been cut at least a week
or two ago).

(Did you know: the tomatoes you bought, whatever the period of the year
at the grocery & supermarket are already cut from 2 to 3 weeks before
reaching the stand: they have been selected to last 4 weeks: they
travelled a lot: from producers to national-market, to central buying
supply chain... and to your shop)

(in fact, the business model is so strong that the flowers are not
expected to last past the 16 February)

Sanity check 2: V-Day is about celebrating the (delusion of) love used
by a Christian prisoner on the daughter of his keeper to escape the
Roman jail. Ergo, it's celebrating the treason of duty, familial honour
and respect of parents.

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On 13/02/2012 03:40 PM, Le_Forgeron wrote:

> Sanity check: Northern hemisphere, V-Day is in WINTER.
>
> Roses are not flowering naturally in winter.

Hmm, good point. There is currently *snow* on the ground outside.

> Your single rose is going to take a plane from southern hemisphere

Really? I thought that apart from South America, most of the southern 
hemisphere was water.

> (or come from a dedicated greenhouse with a 6 month shift... nah!).

Yeah, that's what I figured. Or just, you know, further south than old 
blighty.

> It will be coated in chemical for "optimal" conservation before taking
> its plane and have its very own cardboard-box.

Mmm, tasty. :-}

> (Did you know: the tomatoes you bought, whatever the period of the year
> at the grocery&  supermarket are already cut from 2 to 3 weeks before
> reaching the stand: they have been selected to last 4 weeks: they
> travelled a lot: from producers to national-market, to central buying
> supply chain... and to your shop)

I doubt that /all/ of the tomatoes are imported. On the other hand, 
almost nothing is /made/ in this country any more, so...

> Sanity check 2: V-Day is about celebrating the (delusion of) love used
> by a Christian prisoner on the daughter of his keeper to escape the
> Roman jail. Ergo, it's celebrating the treason of duty, familial honour
> and respect of parents.

I have no idea what it's supposedly about.

But here's an interesting thought: In Western culture, it is customary 
to cut off the reproductive organs of an organism of the phylum 
Magnoliophyta and present it to your loved one, often as a courtship 
gesture.

Think about that for a moment.

If you tried doing that with an /animal/, I suspect few people would be 
flattered. ;-)

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On 13/02/2012 4:09 PM, Invisible wrote:
> Really? I thought that apart from South America, most of the southern
> hemisphere was water.

Seventy per cent of roses sold in European supermarkets come from Kenya, 
which is on the equator.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/feb/14/valentines-day-roses-kenya


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     Stephen

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On 13/02/2012 17:29, Stephen wrote:
> On 13/02/2012 4:09 PM, Invisible wrote:
>> Really? I thought that apart from South America, most of the southern
>> hemisphere was water.
>
> Seventy per cent of roses sold in European supermarkets come from Kenya,
> which is on the equator.
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/feb/14/valentines-day-roses-kenya

OK. That's interesting. I always thought the equator was all desert...

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Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Really? I thought that apart from South America, most of the southern
> hemisphere was water.

> OK. That's interesting. I always thought the equator was all desert...

  I really think you should cut the "being deliberately ignorant of things
that would become clear with 10 seconds of googling" trait. I don't know if
you are doing it genuinely or simply to try to be amusing, but it does not
give any positive image of yourself.

  Try to make a habit of every time you have the urge of writing "I always
thought that..." or "what does this mean?" to spend 10 seconds on google or
wikipedia, and if you don't find the answer, *then* perhaps say it. (Although,
it's probably better if you spend at least a couple of minutes before doing
it.)

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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On 13-2-2012 20:30, Warp wrote:
> Orchid Win7 v1<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>> Really? I thought that apart from South America, most of the southern
>> hemisphere was water.
>
>> OK. That's interesting. I always thought the equator was all desert...
>
>    I really think you should cut the "being deliberately ignorant of things
> that would become clear with 10 seconds of googling" trait. I don't know if
> you are doing it genuinely or simply to try to be amusing, but it does not
> give any positive image of yourself.
>
>    Try to make a habit of every time you have the urge of writing "I always
> thought that..." or "what does this mean?" to spend 10 seconds on google or
> wikipedia, and if you don't find the answer, *then* perhaps say it. (Although,
> it's probably better if you spend at least a couple of minutes before doing
> it.)
>

In general I do agree with that, however in this case...
This gave for me the impression of confusing two major events in our 
evolution, i.e. the crawling of fishes onto the land to give rise to 
land vertebrates and the out of africa theory. The image this evoked was 
of an adam and an eve crawling out of the southern hemisphere ocean onto 
the deserts of the equator (possibly mixed with a monty python intro). 
In short I found this mix-up the work of a true genius. (ok, or perhaps 
the work of a complete fool that accidentally struck gold).

-- 
tip: do not run in an unknown place when it is too dark to see the 
floor, unless you prefer to not use uppercase.

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Le 13/02/2012 20:52, andrel nous fit lire :
> he southern hemisphere ocean onto the deserts of the equator (possibly
> mixed with a monty python intro).

Equator (as a geographical location: the central belt) is not a sahara
like desert, it's very green).

The desert part are more likely to start at 20° (or 25°) from equator on
each direction and due to the convection cells of the atmosphere (and
it's moving with seasons, it's call The Doldrums... huge vertical winds,
nearly none horizontal, nothing to move clouds into rain over land)

BTW, there is more part of Africa (continent) in the Northern hemisphere
than in Southern.
(that's not the case for South America, Australia nor Antarctica)

Also, at the exit of a glacial era, the weather might have been a lot
different than the sunny desert. (for instance, London would have been
under a lot (more!) of ice and snow by the time of the first simian
walking on only two feet and keeping tools in the savannah of Africa)

(P.S: I said Australia, I'm going to be flamed by NZ and co, as it would
be called Oceania... guess what is the biggest island ?)

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On 13-2-2012 21:16, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 13/02/2012 20:52, andrel nous fit lire :
>> he southern hemisphere ocean onto the deserts of the equator (possibly
>> mixed with a monty python intro).
>
> Equator (as a geographical location: the central belt) is not a sahara
> like desert, it's very green).

A couple of months ago I was in Arusha just over 3 degrees south of the 
equator. I would not describe the scenery as very green, but definitely 
no desert. But don't blame me, blame the other guy.

> The desert part are more likely to start at 20° (or 25°) from equator on
> each direction and due to the convection cells of the atmosphere (and
> it's moving with seasons, it's call The Doldrums... huge vertical winds,
> nearly none horizontal, nothing to move clouds into rain over land)
>
> BTW, there is more part of Africa (continent) in the Northern hemisphere
> than in Southern.
> (that's not the case for South America, Australia nor Antarctica)
>
> Also, at the exit of a glacial era, the weather might have been a lot
> different than the sunny desert. (for instance, London would have been
> under a lot (more!) of ice and snow by the time of the first simian
> walking on only two feet and keeping tools in the savannah of Africa)
>
> (P.S: I said Australia, I'm going to be flamed by NZ and co, as it would
> be called Oceania... guess what is the biggest island ?)

Much of that biggest island is desert. I have been in both and I prefer 
the nature of NZ.

-- 
tip: do not run in an unknown place when it is too dark to see the 
floor, unless you prefer to not use uppercase.

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On 2/13/2012 12:16, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> BTW, there is more part of Africa (continent) in the Northern hemisphere
> than in Southern.


Fun fact: If you took all the sand in northern africa and spread it out 
flat, it would cover an area the size of the Sahara!

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   People tell me I am the counter-example.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> On 2/13/2012 12:16, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> > BTW, there is more part of Africa (continent) in the Northern hemisphere
> > than in Southern.
>
>
> Fun fact: If you took all the sand in northern africa and spread it out
> flat, it would cover an area the size of the Sahara!

Did you know: if all the people in the world linked arms around the equator,
two-thirds of them would drown.

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