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I don't read these groups regularly these days so perhaps this was posted
before.
Just in case Andrew didn't see it: this guy makes music by coding in
Haskell... live!
http://yaxu.org/category/livecoding/
G.
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Gilles Tran escreveu:
> I don't read these groups regularly these days so perhaps this was
> posted before.
> Just in case Andrew didn't see it: this guy makes music by coding in
> Haskell... live!
> http://yaxu.org/category/livecoding/
bah, these Haskell guys are always late and derivative in the ideas:
http://www.imagine27.com/articles/2009-04-09-010147_live_lisp_art_opengl_synth_sound.html
http://impromptu.moso.com.au/gallery.html
perhaps they've spent too much time in compiling and getting the types
right? ;)
BTW, a very interesting topic no doubt. More info on it:
http://toplap.org/index.php/Main_Page
I always felt like old music composers such as Bach to be programmers by
nature...
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On 25/01/2012 03:59 PM, nemesis wrote:
> bah, these Haskell guys are always late and derivative in the ideas
That's like saying that every 20th century novelist is "late and
derivative in the ideas" because there were writers in the 19th century
also. :-P
> perhaps they've spent too much time in compiling and getting the types
> right? ;)
That's like saying "perhaps the Lisp guys spent too much time in getting
the brackets right?"
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Invisible escreveu:
> On 25/01/2012 03:59 PM, nemesis wrote:
>
>> bah, these Haskell guys are always late and derivative in the ideas
>
> That's like saying that every 20th century novelist is "late and
> derivative in the ideas" because there were writers in the 19th century
> also. :-P
well, and they largely are.
Like, after watching the latest Sherlock Holmes movie I noticed how the
character has come a full circle: its popularity spawned many imitators
in cheap magazines and it eventually led to cheap, pulp fiction, which
eventually led to super hero comic books which eventually led to Batman,
"the greatest detective of all time", according to DC Comics. And
indeed, there is Batman on the screen, except for no cape or batbelt
(actually, in the first movie, he carries some belt full of tools).
>> perhaps they've spent too much time in compiling and getting the types
>> right? ;)
>
> That's like saying "perhaps the Lisp guys spent too much time in getting
> the brackets right?"
but they spend none at all, given the text editors do that for them, and
much to their advantage BTW. You can see that in the video of the Lisp
guy livecoding and extracting, editing and rearranging large chuncks of
code easily, because they are bracketed and the editor handles any of
that in a breeze. ;)
--
a game sig: http://tinyurl.com/d3rxz9
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On 1/26/2012 5:30, nemesis wrote:
> but they spend none at all, given the text editors do that for them
Yeah. I use Eclipse at work, and I'll call BS on that one. I spend way more
time taking out the stupid shit Eclipse inserts than I do inserting
punctuation myself.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> On 1/26/2012 5:30, nemesis wrote:
> > but they spend none at all, given the text editors do that for them
>
> Yeah. I use Eclipse at work, and I'll call BS on that one. I spend way more
> time taking out the stupid shit Eclipse inserts than I do inserting
> punctuation myself.
Welcome back! I see you're motivated. :)
Good to know you're programing in Lisp, but you should rather try emacs+slime.
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On 27/01/2012 04:28 AM, Darren New wrote:
> Yeah. I use Eclipse at work, and I'll call BS on that one. I spend way
> more time taking out the stupid shit Eclipse inserts than I do inserting
> punctuation myself.
Heh, and I thought Eclipse was supposed to be the best IDE ever. :-P
But yeah, that sounds more or less like every IDE I've ever used... I
guess that's why I don't use an IDE very often? (Apart from the extreme
cost. And the lack of support for the formats I want to work with...)
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 27/01/2012 04:28 AM, Darren New wrote:
>
> > Yeah. I use Eclipse at work, and I'll call BS on that one. I spend way
> > more time taking out the stupid shit Eclipse inserts than I do inserting
> > punctuation myself.
>
> Heh, and I thought Eclipse was supposed to be the best IDE ever. :-P
>
> But yeah, that sounds more or less like every IDE I've ever used... I
> guess that's why I don't use an IDE very often? (Apart from the extreme
> cost. And the lack of support for the formats I want to work with...)
Fighting the IDE is not a good idea. It's only inserting stupid shit because
your stupid shit language demands it. That and "best enterprise practices". If
you waste time and energy removing boilerplate that is the very goal of an IDE,
you'd rather just use a simpler language and straight text editor... of course,
if there's no bossy whip behind you...
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>> Heh, and I thought Eclipse was supposed to be the best IDE ever. :-P
>>
>> But yeah, that sounds more or less like every IDE I've ever used... I
>> guess that's why I don't use an IDE very often? (Apart from the extreme
>> cost. And the lack of support for the formats I want to work with...)
>
> Fighting the IDE is not a good idea. It's only inserting stupid shit because
> your stupid shit language demands it. That and "best enterprise practices". If
> you waste time and energy removing boilerplate that is the very goal of an IDE,
> you'd rather just use a simpler language and straight text editor... of course,
> if there's no bossy whip behind you...
I think you just said "if you need an IDE, your language sucks". ;-)
That said, my development environment tends to consist of having an
editor window open, and a command prompt open, and repeatedly jabbing
the up array until the command I want appears. It would be nice if
somebody could invent the simple idea of being able to define the
commands a want in a small text file, and give me a row of buttons (or
better yet, keyboard shortcuts) to execute those commands...
...oh, wait. Somebody already did. It's called Emacs. >_<
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On 1/27/2012 2:50, nemesis wrote:
> Welcome back! I see you're motivated. :)
Oh, I just have much less time to BS here, I fear. :-)
> Good to know you're programing in Lisp, but you should rather try emacs+slime.
I'm programming in Java. I just felt the need that day to gripe about Eclipse.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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