>>> Or if you've got the yast http module installed, you can try yast2
>>> http- server longhelp for command-line help.
>>
>> Which presumable again just tells you about command switches, not how to
>> configure Apache using YaST.
>
> Try it.

Not easily feasible. I don't have access to a SUSE box right this minute.

> It's more than that, again, pay attention to those who actually
> have used it instead of making assumptions and then declaring those
> assumptions to be true, regardless of how true you believe them to be.

Well, you know, that's what manpages do. They give you a terse reference 
to the bare essentials of what a tool does. That doesn't seem like much 
of an "assumption" to me.

> BTW, you do know the world is not in fact flat, right?  Just checking. ;)

The Earth *is* flat. Oh, it isn't flat in *Euclidian* geometry, true 
enough. But in elliptic geometry? It's flat. Or flattish, anyway...

> I accept that your experience has not been so good.  I'm telling you it
> isn't always that way and that you could certainly try over in the
> openSUSE forums when you have questions about openSUSE.

OK, well like I say, I'm about to try to set up a new OpenSUSE 
installation. If it doesn't work out, I'll give it a try.

> Just like searching for a job - if you stop searching, nobody's ever
> going to offer you something better.

Clearly I'm searching in the wrong places. You know, given that I never 
find anything worth even applying for... I still need to look at that, 
actually.

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On 10/20/2011 2:18, Invisible wrote:
>> Try it.
>
> Not easily feasible. I don't have access to a SUSE box right this minute.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=man+yast2&l=1

Sorry, but you really needed the lmgtfy this time. :-)

> Well, you know, that's what manpages do. They give you a terse reference to
> the bare essentials of what a tool does. That doesn't seem like much of an
> "assumption" to me.

While true in this case, actually running Yast gives you a very nice and 
comprehensible interface.

> Clearly I'm searching in the wrong places. You know, given that I never find
> anything worth even applying for... I still need to look at that, actually.

Did you apply to google?  Send me your contact info, and I'll push it into 
the process here to get you a call.

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   How come I never get only one kudo?

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> Sorry, but you really needed the lmgtfy this time. :-)

Darren used to say "Google is your friend".

Now we say "Google is your employer". :-P

>> Clearly I'm searching in the wrong places. You know, given that I
>> never find
>> anything worth even applying for... I still need to look at that,
>> actually.
>
> Did you apply to google? Send me your contact info, and I'll push it
> into the process here to get you a call.

If I apply, am I going to have to commute to London?

If yes, then there's really no point applying. If they'd let me work 
remotely, than I'd totally be interested...

(Not that it's impossible for me to travel to London. I just don't want 
to do it on a daily basis.)

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On 10/20/2011 13:00, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Sorry, but you really needed the lmgtfy this time. :-)
>
> Darren used to say "Google is your friend".
>
> Now we say "Google is your employer". :-P

OK, now *that* is going in my .signature at some point.

>> Did you apply to google? Send me your contact info, and I'll push it
>> into the process here to get you a call.
>
> If I apply, am I going to have to commute to London?

You would have to work that out with them. They'd probably pay to relocate you.

> If yes, then there's really no point applying. If they'd let me work
> remotely, than I'd totally be interested...

I don't know about England, but in the USA, that tends not to be common.

That said, why the hell are you so resistant to even talking about applying? 
Why are you asking me for all the reasons you shouldn't even bother to apply 
to one of the most desirable tech companies around when someone on the 
inside is offering to get your resume to the top of the pile? Do you think 
if you interview they're going to *make* you work there?

You know, this is probably one of the few places where your employer might 
pay you to work in Haskell. :-)

> (Not that it's impossible for me to travel to London. I just don't want to
> do it on a daily basis.)

Sure. I live 75 miles from where I work, and until I got that straightened 
out, it was pretty annoying commuting every day. There's still enough people 
here that commute to the next city over that we run 3 vans every day.

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   People tell me I am the counter-example.

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>> Darren used to say "Google is your friend".
>>
>> Now we say "Google is your employer". :-P
>
> OK, now *that* is going in my .signature at some point.

Do you have any idea how long I've been waiting to say that? ;-)

>> If yes, then there's really no point applying. If they'd let me work
>> remotely, than I'd totally be interested...
>
> I don't know about England, but in the USA, that tends not to be common.

Mmm, that's what I figured. Oh well...

> That said, why the hell are you so resistant to even talking about
> applying? Why are you asking me for all the reasons you shouldn't even
> bother to apply to one of the most desirable tech companies around when
> someone on the inside is offering to get your resume to the top of the
> pile? Do you think if you interview they're going to *make* you work there?

I'd just feel kinda bad about making them go to all the trouble of 
interviewing me, going through a long elaborate selection process, 
finally getting a job offer, and then after all that saying "oh, you 
want me to work in London? OK, forget it, I'm not interested", and them 
being all like "WTF? Why did you even apply?!" I'd feel like I wasted 
everybody's time.

> You know, this is probably one of the few places where your employer
> might pay you to work in Haskell. :-)

Yeah, maybe. Or perhaps look after some other piece of their 
infrastructure. I'm easy. (You may have noticed.)

>> (Not that it's impossible for me to travel to London. I just don't
>> want to do it on a daily basis.)
>
> Sure. I live 75 miles from where I work, and until I got that
> straightened out, it was pretty annoying commuting every day. There's
> still enough people here that commute to the next city over that we run
> 3 vans every day.

I currently commute 40 miles a day. But in the opposite direction to all 
the rush hour traffic, which is nice.

It's impossible to commute to London by car. (Well, no, it's 
theoretically possible, but you'd be insane to try.) More to the point, 
I absolutely hate London, so unless they're going to pay me 10x what I 
get now, it wouldn't be worth it.

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On 10/21/2011 1:09, Invisible wrote:
> I'd just feel kinda bad about making them go to all the trouble of
> interviewing me, going through a long elaborate selection process, finally
> getting a job offer, and then after all that saying "oh, you want me to work
> in London? OK, forget it, I'm not interested", and them being all like "WTF?
> Why did you even apply?!" I'd feel like I wasted everybody's time.

What if they said "We'll give you $150,000 more each year to move to London"?

> It's impossible to commute to London by car. (Well, no, it's theoretically
> possible, but you'd be insane to try.) More to the point, I absolutely hate
> London, so unless they're going to pay me 10x what I get now, it wouldn't be
> worth it.

Can it hurt to try? Trust me, you'd not be wasting anyone's time. If nothing 
else, if you're 100% dead set against setting foot in london, tell the 
interviewer that. I have no idea where all the offices are.

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   People tell me I am the counter-example.

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:18:07 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>>> Or if you've got the yast http module installed, you can try yast2
>>>> http- server longhelp for command-line help.
>>>
>>> Which presumable again just tells you about command switches, not how
>>> to configure Apache using YaST.
>>
>> Try it.
> 
> Not easily feasible. I don't have access to a SUSE box right this
> minute.

Well, I did mean the next time the opportunity presents itself.

> Well, you know, that's what manpages do. They give you a terse reference
> to the bare essentials of what a tool does. That doesn't seem like much
> of an "assumption" to me.

I learned to script in bash using the manpage.  That's not exactly a 
terse one - again, hard to generalise about this kind of thing.

>> I accept that your experience has not been so good.  I'm telling you it
>> isn't always that way and that you could certainly try over in the
>> openSUSE forums when you have questions about openSUSE.
> 
> OK, well like I say, I'm about to try to set up a new OpenSUSE
> installation. If it doesn't work out, I'll give it a try.

That's all I'm saying. :)

>> Just like searching for a job - if you stop searching, nobody's ever
>> going to offer you something better.
> 
> Clearly I'm searching in the wrong places. You know, given that I never
> find anything worth even applying for... I still need to look at that,
> actually.

Well, I happen to be in a similar boat.  The trick is not to care about 
the offers you don't get (and yes, that is hard - I've had a couple 
places I really wanted to find work at that didn't work out for various 
reasons), but to get to the one that *does* offer it to you.

5 months and counting for me.  At least I've found some short-term 
contract work to do.

Jim

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:09:34 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> It's impossible to commute to London by car. (Well, no, it's
> theoretically possible, but you'd be insane to try.) More to the point,
> I absolutely hate London, so unless they're going to pay me 10x what I
> get now, it wouldn't be worth it.

I know perfectly sane people who have done (and IIRC currently do) 
exactly that.

Jim

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:48:38 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> On 10/19/2011 12:04, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Well, sure, you'd have to put them someplace where IIS won't look at
>> it. With Apache, the same holds true - if you want to put it someplace
>> where Apache won't care, don't put it in /etc/apache2. :)
> 
> Does Apache load all configuration files in /etc/apache2? I thought
> there were like include directives or something.

Honestly I don't know - the newer versions use a conf.d directory that 
load everything with a .conf extension in that directory, regardless of 
name.  That seems to be becoming more common (indeed, I'm contracting to 
do some documentation for a company that's got daemons that are being 
converted to work in this manner).

Jim

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:08:19 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> On 10/19/2011 18:30, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Oh, I see. :)  That's what I get for being overtired for the past week
> 
> Yeah, no problem. Lots of people *try* to turn conversations into
> debates. Certainly I'm not going to mind that you thought I was doing
> that. :-)

LOL

>> Ah, *that* thing.  I hadn't heard it called that, just heard about the
>> MS extensions being installed without the user being asked. :)
> 
> Yeah. It's their package manager for applications you install and update
> over the web. I'm honestly not sure why they felt the need to add
> support in firefox, but there you have it.

Probably to avoid accusations of acting in a non-competitive manner or 
something like that.

Jim

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