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On 07/10/2011 10:57 AM, Invisible wrote:
>> That is another point. I need the M$ Office Suite for work and
>> complained bitterly when they changed to Office 2007. Which reminds me
>> of the faux quote attributed to Petronius Arbiter.
>
> I've just spent all week replacing Office 2003 with Office 2010 on all
> of our PCs. Now nobody can find any of the buttons! :-D
>
Life's a b*gger!
> Oh, they're all still there. They're just in different locations.
> Because, let's face it, MS has been selling essentially the same office
> suite for 20 years now. They have to do *something* to make it appear
> that the expensive new version is actually different to the previous
> ones...
So cynical for one so young. :-P
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Stephen
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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 7 Oct 2011 06:38:14
Message: <4e8ed696@news.povray.org>
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>> For some reason, every single time I'm in a car, I think up an endless
>> list of things I want to look up. And then when I get to my computer, I
>> can't remember any of it.
>
> It was either a lie or not important.
Most of my /life/ is unimportant. :-(
> The internet is a wonderful way of wasting time.
Required XKCD quote: http://xkcd.com/214/
>> Apparently I'm stupid.
>
> Yes you are. Now are you happy? :-P
No, just disappointed.
Required XKCD quote: http://xkcd.com/903/
>> In other news: I have absolutely no idea who is in charge of this
>> country at the moment. Then again, given the minimal impact it has had
>> on my life, I suppose that might be why.
>
> You might just be wrong on it having no impact on your life.
Voting is such a fun time! I can vote for this lying, cheating,
self-centered hypocrite, or I can vote for a completely different lying,
cheating, self-centered hypocrite. Isn't that wonderful?
(Naturally, I vote mainly to avoid the raving loonies coming to power,
rather than because I actually like the guys we ended up with.)
>> "Erm, no. I'm going to go out with my friends and ACTUALLY DANCE. Not
>> sit on a couch and merely WATCH people dance. :-P But hey, you enjoy
>> your evening."
>
> Good for you.
It feels good to 0wn people. :-)
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>> Oh, they're all still there. They're just in different locations.
>> Because, let's face it, MS has been selling essentially the same office
>> suite for 20 years now. They have to do *something* to make it appear
>> that the expensive new version is actually different to the previous
>> ones...
>
> So cynical for one so young. :-P
Young? :-P
Seriously. Name /one thing/ that Word 2010 has that Word 2 for
Workgroups didn't have. Sometime around Word 97 or so that added
antialiased text. Word has had styles for ages, but in Word 2007 and
later they're /most obvious/ in the GUI, and you can change the styling
of the whole document at the flick of a button. (And there are default
styles supplied.) That's about all I can think of. With 20 years of
development, that's a pretty unimpressive list.
How about Excel 2010? Well, Excel 2 had charts. They looked horrid, but
they were there. Each new release of Excel adds a few more chart types.
In Excel 2007, they changed charts to look nice. (They have antialias at
last! And decent colour schemes. And so forth.) If that's all they've
managed to do in 20 years of development, again that's pretty thin.
I don't even use Access or PowerPoint heavily enough to comment
meaningfully. PowerPoint seems to get a few new slide transition effects
and slide templates with each release, but that's about it. Access
doesn't appear to have changed /in any way/ since V2.
And then there's Outlook. (Not Outlook Express, because that's an
unrelated product.) The oldest version I've seen is Outlook 2000. The
only difference I'm aware of with Outlook 2010 is that they /finally/
made it so it automatically knows where the email server is, without me
having to manually configure that for every user on every PC on the
entire network one at a time. Thanks for that.
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On 07/10/2011 11:44 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Seriously. Name /one thing/ that Word 2010 has that Word 2 for
> Workgroups didn't have. Sometime around Word 97 or so that added
> antialiased text. Word has had styles for ages, but in Word 2007 and
> later they're /most obvious/ in the GUI, and you can change the styling
> of the whole document at the flick of a button. (And there are default
> styles supplied.) That's about all I can think of. With 20 years of
> development, that's a pretty unimpressive list.
>
They have added the ability to embed another document inside word
instead of just linking to it. Very handy if you want to create a
document locally and upload it to a secure server.
> How about Excel 2010? Well, Excel 2 had charts. They looked horrid, but
> they were there. Each new release of Excel adds a few more chart types.
> In Excel 2007, they changed charts to look nice. (They have antialias at
> last! And decent colour schemes. And so forth.) If that's all they've
> managed to do in 20 years of development, again that's pretty thin.
>
Talking about charts, the ability to get trend lines from your data and
display the equation, is useful. Before you had to use Power Point for that.
> I don't even use Access or PowerPoint heavily enough to comment
> meaningfully. PowerPoint seems to get a few new slide transition effects
> and slide templates with each release, but that's about it. Access
> doesn't appear to have changed /in any way/ since V2.
>
I've not used Access for yonks and Power Point makes me fall asl...
zzzzz ;-)
> And then there's Outlook. (Not Outlook Express, because that's an
> unrelated product.) The oldest version I've seen is Outlook 2000. The
> only difference I'm aware of with Outlook 2010 is that they /finally/
> made it so it automatically knows where the email server is, without me
> having to manually configure that for every user on every PC on the
> entire network one at a time. Thanks for that.
If you have ever used Lotus Notes you would not be complaining. ;-)
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Stephen
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 7 Oct 2011 10:34:36
Message: <4e8f0dfc@news.povray.org>
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On 07/10/2011 11:38 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Most of my /life/ is unimportant. :-(
>
Dinkums!
It is what you make it.
>>> Apparently I'm stupid.
>>
>> Yes you are. Now are you happy? :-P
>
> No, just disappointed.
>
What that I agreed with you? (Lordy! Lordy! There is no pleasing some
people. :-P
>
> Voting is such a fun time! I can vote for this lying, cheating,
> self-centered hypocrite, or I can vote for a completely different lying,
> cheating, self-centered hypocrite. Isn't that wonderful?
See you are not stupid you can tell when a politician is lying.
A. Their lips are moving. ;-)
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Stephen
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On 07/10/2011 03:29 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 07/10/2011 11:44 AM, Invisible wrote:
>> Seriously. Name /one thing/ that Word 2010 has that Word 2 for
>> Workgroups didn't have.
>
> They have added the ability to embed another document inside word
> instead of just linking to it. Very handy if you want to create a
> document locally and upload it to a secure server.
I'm fairly sure Office v2 had that. I may be wrong. Certainly Office 97
definitely had that. And that was, what, 14 years ago?
>> How about Excel 2010? Well, Excel 2 had charts. They looked horrid, but
>> they were there. Each new release of Excel adds a few more chart types.
>
> Talking about charts, the ability to get trend lines from your data and
> display the equation, is useful. Before you had to use Power Point for
> that.
Excel 97 had trend lines. Again, 14 years ago.
> I've not used Access for yonks and Power Point makes me fall asl...
> zzzzz ;-)
I think that's an issue with the kind of people who use PowerPoint,
rather than an issue with the software itself. ;-)
>> And then there's Outlook.
>
> If you have ever used Lotus Notes you would not be complaining. ;-)
Outlook is quite nice. Exchange is a hellish nightmare. (Or at least,
the version I used was. That was a while ago now...)
In fairness, I'm not aware of anything else that does what Outlook and
Exchange do.
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>> Most of my /life/ is unimportant. :-(
>
> Dinkums!
>
> It is what you make it.
And apparently most of what I make it is surfing the net to pass the
time. (Mainly because it's intractably difficult to actually /achieve/
anything...)
>>>> Apparently I'm stupid.
>>>
>>> Yes you are. Now are you happy? :-P
>>
>> No, just disappointed.
>
> What that I agreed with you?
No. I'm unhappy that I'm stupid. (And fat, and unfit, and unattractive,
and...)
> See you are not stupid you can tell when a politician is lying.
>
> A. Their lips are moving. ;-)
No, no. See, even their non-verbal communication is a lie!
See that guy smiling? It isn't because our country has a bright future
now...
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On 07/10/2011 3:36 PM, Invisible wrote:
> I'm fairly sure Office v2 had that. I may be wrong. Certainly Office 97
> definitely had that. And that was, what, 14 years ago?
>
May be but it works now. The number of projects I've been on and when
you try to read the embedded docs from a server and can't, are legion.
>
> Excel 97 had trend lines. Again, 14 years ago.
>
But would it tell you what the equation was? Of course I could be in my
dotage and it was that long ago.
>
> I think that's an issue with the kind of people who use PowerPoint,
> rather than an issue with the software itself. ;-)
>
Okay, I'll give you that.
>>> And then there's Outlook.
>>
>> If you have ever used Lotus Notes you would not be complaining. ;-)
>
> Outlook is quite nice. Exchange is a hellish nightmare. (Or at least,
> the version I used was. That was a while ago now...)
>
It's not got any better IME.
> In fairness, I'm not aware of anything else that does what Outlook and
> Exchange do.
For big companies, you are probably right.
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Stephen
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On 07/10/2011 3:38 PM, Invisible wrote:
>
> No. I'm unhappy that I'm stupid. (And fat, and unfit, and unattractive,
> and...)
O_O
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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> In fairness, I'm not aware of anything else that does what Outlook and
> Exchange do.
Sledgehammer? ... C6? ... Sidewinder missle?
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