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From: Ive
Subject: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 7 Aug 2011 18:51:25
Message: <4e3f16ed$1@news.povray.org>
A few weeks ago some friends made me aware that images of mine are used 
within Tumblr without any notice about the "artist" (that would be me in 
this case even if I do not call myself like that) and (yes, actually 
quite funny) obviously mistaken for photos.

I'll have to admit that I've never heard about Tumblr before (but I knew 
something like Facebook exists) so I did a bit of search and research. 
It seems that completely ignoring any copyright and intellectual 
property is part of the whole Tumblr idea. And BTW I also did find quite 
a lot images that are known to me as the work of other POV-Ray artists. 
As I am just a hobbyist my first reaction was to simply forget about it 
and as my wife did put it:
"Re-blogging other people's stuff is the whole purpose of Tumblr.
Go after them and you'll incur the angst of millions of teenage girls,
who'll be forced to produce original content - millions of duckface
self portraits and emo poems."

But a week ago I did have some spare time and I picked a few of them (5 
exactly and only the ones where it was easy to find an email address as 
the within Tumblr preferred "Ask me anything" method does not work when 
you want to put a web-link (to my own homepage where the image in 
question resides) and a email (to make it easy to answer me) there.
Well, this was a very friendly and polite mail just that I would like to 
get credit when some work of mine is used, No threads about copyright 
laws and I didn't even insist that it would be nice to be asked before-head.
This happened exactly one week ago and I did get exactly zero response 
not to mention that none of the images did get proper credit.

Now I'm really pissed. Somehow.
What do you people think about it? Any suggestions?

-Ive


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 7 Aug 2011 19:48:07
Message: <4e3f2437$1@news.povray.org>
On 8/7/2011 15:50, Ive wrote:
> Now I'm really pissed. Somehow.

And this is why creative people hate pirates, even if "they wouldn't have 
bought the content anyway."

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   How come I never get only one kudo?


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 7 Aug 2011 23:55:00
Message: <web.4e3f5d23b8767dd7538c5e2a0@news.povray.org>
Ive <ive### [at] lilysoftorg> wrote:
> Now I'm really pissed. Somehow.

who wouldn't?

> What do you people think about it?

I feel your pain.  I think your wife put it best, though.  And yeah, it's a
shame most teens are clueless and curiousless consumer bastards.

> Any suggestions?

Subtle watermarks?  Meta information in the image file?  They just pass it on,
don't even bother with editing, I guess.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 8 Aug 2011 00:16:29
Message: <4e3f631d$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 00:50:45 +0200, Ive wrote:

> Now I'm really pissed. Somehow.
> What do you people think about it? Any suggestions?

Contact enq### [at] tumblrcom with references to the uncredited use of 
your work and ask that they deal with it.

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 8 Aug 2011 00:29:49
Message: <4e3f663d@news.povray.org>
On 8/7/2011 21:16, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Contact enq### [at] tumblrcom with references to the uncredited use of
> your work and ask that they deal with it.

Yep. Look up the form for a DMCA takedown request.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   How come I never get only one kudo?


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From: Ive
Subject: Re: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 8 Aug 2011 10:41:04
Message: <4e3ff580@news.povray.org>
Am 08.08.2011 06:16, schrieb Jim Henderson:
> Contact enq### [at] tumblrcom with references to the uncredited use of
> your work and ask that they deal with it.
>

Yes. It is just not my way to run to the authorities when I have a 
problem with someone. I am considering it but I'm still hesitating.

Also I'm wondering, if the people responsible for (and earning money 
with)  Tumblr would be serious about copyright infringement they had to 
shut down 99% of all Tumblr-blogs and this is obviously NOT part of the 
business-model.
And from what I've seen so far I already know what will happen:
The blog-owner gets a mail notifying him about the issue including a 
thread to shutdown his/her account.
He/she publishes this mail on his/her blog (so well, finally something 
new and unique to blog about) and this is followed by a loud outburst of 
the Tumblr-"community" about some stupid guy (this would be me) who 
instead of being proud to be recognized by the Tumblr-community insists 
in censorship and internet fascism. Guess I could live with that and a 
few hours later the whole issue within Tumblr-folks is forgotten anyway.
But seriously, what is he point?

-Ive


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From: Ive
Subject: Re: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 8 Aug 2011 10:56:45
Message: <4e3ff92d$1@news.povray.org>
Am 08.08.2011 05:50, schrieb nemesis:

> Subtle watermarks?  Meta information in the image file?  They just pass it on,
> don't even bother with editing, I guess.
>
The Tumblr-people re-blogging stuff do not care, but the original poster 
who has found it "somewhere" in the internet does sometimes. I've seen a 
picture from Gilles where the copyright notice was cropped away.
Meta tags is something I'm already using (but they get usually lost if 
the image is e.g. resized) and (what I've learned so far) in the future 
I will always add a notice on the image itself. Well, this can be 
cropped, but this act does actually show something about the person.

-Ive


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From: Ive
Subject: Re: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 8 Aug 2011 11:05:32
Message: <4e3ffb3c$1@news.povray.org>
Am 08.08.2011 01:48, schrieb Darren New:

> And this is why creative people hate pirates, even if "they wouldn't
> have bought the content anyway."

This "I wouldn't have bought it anyway."-argument is something I was 
always wondering about. Does it mean that someone prefers (take music as 
example) to listen to songs he actually doesn't like just because he was 
able to get them for free.

-Ive


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 8 Aug 2011 11:33:01
Message: <4e4001ad@news.povray.org>
Ive <ive### [at] lilysoftorg> wrote:
> Am 08.08.2011 01:48, schrieb Darren New:

> > And this is why creative people hate pirates, even if "they wouldn't
> > have bought the content anyway."

> This "I wouldn't have bought it anyway."-argument is something I was 
> always wondering about. Does it mean that someone prefers (take music as 
> example) to listen to songs he actually doesn't like just because he was 
> able to get them for free.

  Some time ago I was at a friend's home, and another friend of his gave
him a pirated and cracked version of Assassin's Creed 2 on DVD-R. I asked
why. It's not like his life depended on the 50 euros that it would have
costed to buy the game.

  His answer: "What if I don't have 50 euros?"

  I was perplexed. I asked what exactly forces him to play the game in
question if he can't afford it.

  He presented the argument completely seriously. I don't understand why
some people honestly think that's any kind of justification. It's not like
playing a computer game is necessary for anything at all. I don't understand
by what logic if you can't afford a game, it's ok to pirate it. What kind
of sense does that make?

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Tumblr, Images and Copyrights
Date: 8 Aug 2011 12:24:15
Message: <4e400daf$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:04:51 +0200, Ive wrote:

> This "I wouldn't have bought it anyway."-argument is something I was
> always wondering about. Does it mean that someone prefers (take music as
> example) to listen to songs he actually doesn't like just because he was
> able to get them for free.

Usually it has more to do with "I don't know what I'd be buying, and if I 
open it and don't like it, I can't return it".  I know a few people who 
approach it that way - they want to 'try before they buy'.

Of course, these days there are plenty of ways to actually do that 
legally without resorting to piracy.

Jim


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