Chambers wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Chambers wrote:
>>> partly because Sony focused on technical points, ie features, whereas 
>>> MS actually focused on the entire user experience (ironic, isn't it?). 
>>
>> What's ironic about it? Sony has always focussed on features and MS 
>> has always focussed on the user experience. That's why technical 
>> people don't like MS products.
> 
> Not ironic that they focused on it, but ironic that they got it so right.
> 
> Of course, that's just some of my latent MS bashing sneaking to the 
> surface again.  I've been pretty good about treating them objectively 
> lately, but every now and then I still aim a barb in their direction :)
> 
Nah. Keep up the bashing. lol If they built space stations, for example, 
you could be sure to suffocate, freeze, or get sucked out a 
malfunctioning airlock, while fully satisfied that the "experience" was 
the best you had ever had. Seriously, if Vista taught us anything, its 
that MS' *only* experience is in user experience, and that trying to do 
"technical" correctly makes for some very *bad* interface decisions on 
their part, such that you both get sucked out the airlock, and have to 
look at the peeled paint on the way out. ;)

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void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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On 07/09/09 21:22, Chambers wrote:
> Features don't sell.  Benefits do.
>
> Henry Ford made so much money, not because he sold cars that could go X
> miles an hour, or Y miles on one gallon, but because he toured the
> country talking about how great being able to drive was. He basically
> sold the idea of a mobile society, and contrasted sitting at home
> without a neighbor for 10 miles, with being able to visit family and
> friends anytime you want.

	That doesn't sound like either features or benefits selling. The lesson 
I'm learning with this is "marketing sells".

	If you're in the US and you know any non-highly-technical people who 
use a VoIP line for their phone (one that isn't just some software on 
your PC), how many of them use Vonage? Ask them why they picked it, 
given the significantly cheaper alternatives.



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> Nah. Keep up the bashing. lol If they built space stations, for example, 
> you could be sure to suffocate, freeze, or get sucked out a malfunctioning 
> airlock,

...if it was running consumer Windows, maybe, but I doubt MS would do that 
for a space station.

BTW if you buy a Ford with the fancy bluetooth/USB connection, it will be 
running the Microsoft Auto OS which has been made to normal automotive 
software standards, and I've not heard any problems with it, in fact most 
people probably don't even realise MS made the software.

http://www.microsoft.com/auto/ma.mspx

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> If you're in the US and you know any non-highly-technical people who use a 
> VoIP line for their phone (one that isn't just some software on your PC), 
> how many of them use Vonage? Ask them why they picked it, given the 
> significantly cheaper alternatives.

A lot of the time people know that there might be cheaper alternatives out 
there, but they just can't be bothered to research it, or don't know how to. 
You could spend your whole life finding the cheapest of everything you want 
to buy, but then you'd have no time left to enjoy all the money you saved 
:-)

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scott wrote:
>> Nah. Keep up the bashing. lol If they built space stations, for 
>> example, you could be sure to suffocate, freeze, or get sucked out a 
>> malfunctioning airlock,
> 
> ...if it was running consumer Windows, maybe, but I doubt MS would do 
> that for a space station.
> 
> BTW if you buy a Ford with the fancy bluetooth/USB connection, it will 
> be running the Microsoft Auto OS which has been made to normal 
> automotive software standards, and I've not heard any problems with it, 
> in fact most people probably don't even realise MS made the software.
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/auto/ma.mspx
> 
So, they can do limited function, single task stuff well.. like DOS. lol


-- 
void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> So, they can do limited function, single task stuff well.. like DOS. lol

No, they can do something well if the requirements are strict enough.

MS makes their software good enough for the people who have to use it. 
That's one of the reasons the perception of Visual Studio is so much 
better than the perception of Windows in general... developers have 
higher standards than the average user, so MS makes a better product for 
them.

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Chambers

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Neeum Zawan wrote:
>     That doesn't sound like either features or benefits selling. The 
> lesson I'm learning with this is "marketing sells".

Sure, it's benefits.  Ford didn't tell people they should get a car 
because it had X features; he told them they should get a car because of 
how it would improve their quality of life.

>     If you're in the US and you know any non-highly-technical people who 
> use a VoIP line for their phone (one that isn't just some software on 
> your PC), how many of them use Vonage? Ask them why they picked it, 
> given the significantly cheaper alternatives.

I've actually used Vonage; their prices are quite competitive.  In fact, 
I *tried* to research others, and I wasn't able to come up with anybody 
who had better prices.

Maybe the other companies need to work on their advertising.

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> So, they can do limited function, single task stuff well.. like DOS. lol

MS Auto is an automotive grade version of Windows CE with extra features 
needed for in-car use.  DOS wouldn't be suitable for use in a car, it needs 
to be multi-tasking and talk over several different networks.

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Darren New wrote:

> MS has 
> always focussed on the user experience. That's why technical people 
> don't like MS products.

Really?

People are often telling me that M$ spends millions on consumer 
research. But I have to ask... what escaped nutcase *wanted* Microsoft 
Bob? The annoying paperclip? The animated Find dog? That window that 
pops up every... single... time... you log into a Windows XP box for the 
first time? (Do I *look* like I want to take the God damned tour of 
XP?!) The incessent "there are unused icons on your desktop" whinging?

Which users wanted their PCs to get hacked just by being connected to 
the Internet? Who wanted a word processor that constantly crashes? Which 
people thought it was funny if a power cut results in permanent data 
loss and possible an unusable PC?

Seriously... WTF? Who in their right mind thinks M$ provides a good user 
experience? M$ is legendary for the *bad* experience they provide! It's 
certainly NOT just technical people who dislike their products...

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> People are often telling me that M$ spends millions on consumer research. 
> But I have to ask... what escaped nutcase *wanted* Microsoft Bob? The 
> annoying paperclip? The animated Find dog? That window that pops up 
> every... single... time... you log into a Windows XP box for the first 
> time? (Do I *look* like I want to take the God damned tour of XP?!) The 
> incessent "there are unused icons on your desktop" whinging?

I guess that's why they spent millions on consumer research and didn't just 
ask an IT professional :-)

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