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I'm definitely from a later generation, because the video that really brought
videoclips to my attention was Michael Jackson's Thriller. *shame*... well,
not so much, I still love "Billie Jean" and "Beat it"... :P
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Am Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:08:23 +0100 schrieb andrel:
> On 01-Jan-09 16:40, Warp wrote:
>> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
>>> 1 Queen Bohemian rhapsody
>>
>> I must wonder about that choice myself as well. IMO Queen had much
>> more
>> epic songs, such as "I want it all", "I want to break free", "The show
>> must go on" and perhaps the best known one, "We will rock you"
>> (although that one has been abused way too much).
>
> I am not a Queen fan, but I think all of these are straight and standard
> pop songs. Chorus refrain chorus refrain repeat until bored. Bohemian
> rhapsody is different and when it came out and was first shown on TV it
> touched a great many people. I know it was one of the few songs that my
> father was really impressed by, my wife told me that in the weeks after
> she had seen it the first time she tried to watch every music program
> hoping they would show it again. I think i did the same and so were
> many, many others. So, if there is one Queen song that stands out from
> all other Queen material it is this one. At least for my generation. As
> I remarked to Andy, if you weren't there you will not be able to
> understand what an impact this song had. Just as that I won't be able to
> experience the shock of hearing Beethoven's fifth or Heartbreak Hotel or
> Hey Jude for the first time.
It was also long before my time and maybe I'm totally of, but I would
just put Queen in the category of commercially succesful glamrock.
Musically there has been much more experimental stuff in progressive rock
before and afterwards - from german perspective with its variant called
"Krautrock" - highly experimental music, which blended rock, classical
music and electronic music (a lot of musicians in progrock came from a
classic background - for example two members of the Krautrock group "Can"
were students of Stockhausen). What is comercial succesful and succesful
in bringing certain styles of music to the masses (which is a very good
thing) is sometimes not the latest stage of developement of music. For
example take a band like Gentle Giant, which is quite difficult to
understand musically. Nevertheless I think, they influenced also rock
musicians outside of progrock quite considerable.
If you never heard of them, this recording is might be good to get a
first impression (maybe it will just sound like noise the first time, but
I think it is quite intelligent music):
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4781222750582852771
I don't want to take the elitist opinion of the "stupid masses", but
there are some pearls, which didn't make it in the charts, but were
important nevertheless.
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On 02-Jan-09 23:05, Florian Pesth wrote:
> It was also long before my time and maybe I'm totally of, but I would
> just put Queen in the category of commercially succesful glamrock.
For me this song changed my opinion. I used to think more or less along
your line, but with Bohemian Rhapsody that changed. It proved that they
were prepared to do something rather complicated and still get an
audience for it. It may have helped expand the musical taste of a few
people.
> Musically there has been much more experimental stuff in progressive rock
> before and afterwards - from german perspective with its variant called
> "Krautrock" - highly experimental music, which blended rock, classical
> music and electronic music (a lot of musicians in progrock came from a
> classic background - for example two members of the Krautrock group "Can"
> were students of Stockhausen). What is comercial succesful and succesful
> in bringing certain styles of music to the masses (which is a very good
> thing) is sometimes not the latest stage of developement of music. For
> example take a band like Gentle Giant, which is quite difficult to
> understand musically. Nevertheless I think, they influenced also rock
> musicians outside of progrock quite considerable.
>
> If you never heard of them, this recording is might be good to get a
> first impression (maybe it will just sound like noise the first time, but
> I think it is quite intelligent music):
>
> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4781222750582852771
I do know them. I am somewhat of a Yes fan (and a lot of other progrock
as well) and last.fm figured that I would probably also like Gentle
Giant. I had at least one track marked as a loved track, but it seems to
have dropped of the stack. I also though I had one album of them on my
Amazon wish list. Also not true. As I said before 'My brain keeps
surprising me'.
BTW are you sure this video is in the public domain?
> I don't want to take the elitist opinion of the "stupid masses", but
> there are some pearls, which didn't make it in the charts, but were
> important nevertheless.
There are two sides to this. On the one hand in this top2000 are a
couple of Yes songs that have not made it into the charts or nor very
far, like Roundabout and Close to the edge (played in full 18 minutes
during this broadcast \o/ ). Nr 8 is Alan Parsons' Old and wise. Also
'Child in time' was for a long time nr 1 in the list and only 10 years
ago or so replaced by Queen. in 2000-2002 it was still nr 2 and it has
now dropped to 4. All without being a memorable hit. So the list does
include 'some pearls, which didn't make it in the charts, but were
important nevertheless'.
On the other hand Mary Black, Loreena McKennitt, Ayreon and Eric Bogle,
to name a few, are totally missing and Robbie Williams is at 24.
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andrel wrote:
> I do know them. I am somewhat of a Yes fan (and a lot of other progrock
You might want to listen to Glass Hammer, then.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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On 03-Jan-09 1:39, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> I do know them. I am somewhat of a Yes fan (and a lot of other progrock
>
> You might want to listen to Glass Hammer, then.
>
Do you know a legal way to just listen other than buying a CD?
I can find some things on youtube, but I am not sure if that material
there is illegal. I know of a few instances where the IP holder itself
uploaded videos, but as far as I can see youtube still does not register
that. Wikipedia has for all images a note on the copyright status, IMHO
it is time for youtube to do the same. Until they do, we have to treat
anything there as illegal uploads.
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andrel wrote:
> Do you know a legal way to just listen other than buying a CD?
Most places selling CDs will have 30-second samples. They sound a lot like
Yes, but without (afaict) most of the really innovative musical stuff. I.e.,
same instruments, much less talent. :-)
> Until they do, we have to treat anything there as illegal uploads.
You may prefer to do that, but in the USA, all the copyright holder has to
do is send a letter saying "that's mine and I don't want you to share it"
and down it comes. Since it has become trivially easy here for a
right-holder to suppress sharing of anything, regardless of whether such
suppression is legal or not, I personally don't worry too much if I go to a
site like youtube and watch something to see if I want to buy it.
Of course, if I go to something like The Pirate Bay and find movies that are
sitting on the shelf of the video rental place right now, I'm pretty sure
they shouldn't be there. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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On 03-Jan-09 18:47, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> Do you know a legal way to just listen other than buying a CD?
>
> Most places selling CDs will have 30-second samples. They sound a lot
> like Yes, but without (afaict) most of the really innovative musical
> stuff. I.e., same instruments, much less talent. :-)
>
>> Until they do, we have to treat anything there as illegal uploads.
>
> You may prefer to do that, but in the USA, all the copyright holder has
> to do is send a letter saying "that's mine and I don't want you to share
> it" and down it comes. Since it has become trivially easy here for a
> right-holder to suppress sharing of anything, regardless of whether such
> suppression is legal or not, I personally don't worry too much if I go
> to a site like youtube and watch something to see if I want to buy it.
That sort of assumes that every IP holder should regularly google itself
to find IP infringements. (just checked, no IP from me yet on youtube)
It is a way to look at it, but I think experience teaches that
everything that was once on the net has a big chance of still being
somewhere. Besides if there is a copyright notice one could also add
what is allowed to do with it and what not. e.g. only to be viewed on
this side with the supplied viewer, deep copy, download, put on ones own
website, used as background in another production etc. And not to forget
who to consult if you want use beyond that what is granted to anyone.
> Of course, if I go to something like The Pirate Bay and find movies that
> are sitting on the shelf of the video rental place right now, I'm pretty
> sure they shouldn't be there. :-)
Never been there at all, but I can image the sort of place ;)
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andrel wrote:
> It is a way to look at it, but I think experience teaches that
> everything that was once on the net has a big chance of still being
> somewhere.
I've been rather surprised that some of my way-early code posts to netnews
are still floating around in archives somewhere. Almost embarrassing. :-)
> Besides if there is a copyright notice one could also add
> what is allowed to do with it and what not.
You could certainly try. In the USA (last I seriously studied it), copyright
only gives you control over copying, not over how it gets used. *And* even
that is limited in many ways.
> Never been there at all, but I can image the sort of place ;)
It has been in the news regularly, yes. And note that it doesn't actually
host any copyrighted materials. :-)
But certainly, you can take an absolute moral stance and refuse to look at
anything you aren't sure the copyright holder specifically authorized, if
you want.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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Am Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:20:07 +0100 schrieb andrel:
> On 02-Jan-09 23:05, Florian Pesth wrote:
>> It was also long before my time and maybe I'm totally of, but I would
>> just put Queen in the category of commercially succesful glamrock.
>
> For me this song changed my opinion. I used to think more or less along
> your line, but with Bohemian Rhapsody that changed. It proved that they
> were prepared to do something rather complicated and still get an
> audience for it. It may have helped expand the musical taste of a few
> people.
Agree with that point.
>
> I do know them. I am somewhat of a Yes fan (and a lot of other progrock
> as well) and last.fm figured that I would probably also like Gentle
> Giant. I had at least one track marked as a loved track, but it seems to
> have dropped of the stack. I also though I had one album of them on my
> Amazon wish list. Also not true. As I said before 'My brain keeps
> surprising me'.
Which song / album? Maybe I can give some (subjective) recommodations, I
have some of their albums. Do you know some good italian progrock?
>
> BTW are you sure this video is in the public domain?
I'm sorry, you are right. Checking it, it is probably not, although it
was produced for the second german television ZDF, which is financed
publically, but of course that is no excuse.
>
>> I don't want to take the elitist opinion of the "stupid masses", but
>> there are some pearls, which didn't make it in the charts, but were
>> important nevertheless.
>
> There are two sides to this. On the one hand in this top2000 are a
> couple of Yes songs that have not made it into the charts or nor very
> far, like Roundabout and Close to the edge (played in full 18 minutes
> during this broadcast \o/ ). Nr 8 is Alan Parsons' Old and wise. Also
> 'Child in time' was for a long time nr 1 in the list and only 10 years
> ago or so replaced by Queen. in 2000-2002 it was still nr 2 and it has
> now dropped to 4. All without being a memorable hit. So the list does
> include 'some pearls, which didn't make it in the charts, but were
> important nevertheless'.
> On the other hand Mary Black, Loreena McKennitt, Ayreon and Eric Bogle,
> to name a few, are totally missing and Robbie Williams is at 24.
Oh well, not too bad than. I admit, that I also sometimes are guilty for
listening to simple mass compatible stuff (Shocking Blue anyone? :)).
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Am Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:38:15 -0500 schrieb Florian Pesth:
> Which song / album? Maybe I can give some (subjective) recommodations, I
> have some of their albums. Do you know some good italian progrock?
>
>
>> BTW are you sure this video is in the public domain?
Just to make it clear - I buy all my music - and agree with your point on
copyright.
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