On 03-Jan-09 18:47, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> Do you know a legal way to just listen other than buying a CD?
> 
> Most places selling CDs will have 30-second samples. They sound a lot 
> like Yes, but without (afaict) most of the really innovative musical 
> stuff. I.e., same instruments, much less talent. :-)
> 
>> Until they do, we have to treat anything there as illegal uploads.
> 
> You may prefer to do that, but in the USA, all the copyright holder has 
> to do is send a letter saying "that's mine and I don't want you to share 
> it" and down it comes. Since it has become trivially easy here for a 
> right-holder to suppress sharing of anything, regardless of whether such 
> suppression is legal or not, I personally don't worry too much if I go 
> to a site like youtube and watch something to see if I want to buy it.

That sort of assumes that every IP holder should regularly google itself 
to find IP infringements. (just checked, no IP from me yet on youtube) 
It is a way to look at it, but I think experience teaches that 
everything that was once on the net has a big chance of still being 
somewhere. Besides if there is a copyright notice one could also add 
what is allowed to do with it and what not. e.g. only to be viewed on 
this side with the supplied viewer, deep copy, download, put on ones own 
website, used as background in another production etc. And not to forget 
who to consult if you want use beyond that what is granted to anyone.

> Of course, if I go to something like The Pirate Bay and find movies that 
> are sitting on the shelf of the video rental place right now, I'm pretty 
> sure they shouldn't be there. :-)

Never been there at all, but I can image the sort of place ;)

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