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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Perhaps I'm not understanding correctly - video data typically eats a
> few GB per minute. So why do you need 1,000 GB? That's, like, several
> *hours* of video data. You'd have to be producing a feature film or
> something to need more, surely?
I took nine hours of video on my vacation to Africa. Editted down to (I
think) 2.
It's sitting on tapes, waiting for me to pull it in to burn to DVD, now
that I have that capabilitiy.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Warp wrote:
> It's incredible how you find ways to bash C++ in every possible context.
Actually, I'd like to apologize.
If, for some reason, you're taking my C++ comments as a personal
offense, I'd like to point out they weren't made with that intent. I
think you, Warp, are an extremely skilled and intelligent person. While
I haven't seen any of your code, I expect I would hire you to work on
mission-critical software my livelihood depends on without a second
thought. Your comments are usually insightful and thought-provoking,
enough so that I went out and bought a couple of C++ books to re-learn
its capabilities in case it would be appropriate in my future. When my
opinion differs from yours, it's almost always simply a matter of
preference or opinion rather than something factual. (Windows sucks!
Linux is hard to use! :-) In the rare case where it's something factual
and I think I happen to be right, it's something where I have recent
experience and you don't and the "common folklore" is out of date.
I bash C++ because its power excuses it for many of the flaws I see. I
could equally bash Perl or PHP or any other language I've ever used,
probably easier, because they have so few other redeeming qualities.
It's easy to bash a lame language that's lame because the designers
didn't care. It's more fun to bash a powerful language that seems lame
because of complex intentional restrictions on its design.
I bash C++ for the same reason I'd mock someone who fells trees with
dynamite: If you can manage it, hats off to you, but let me stand way
over there and watch the fun while you do it... :-) It's certainly most
effective, as certainly as it's inappropriate for inexperienced people.
If you think that when I'm making fun of C++'s shortcomings I'm also
making fun of those who use C++ effectively, let me just say I'm not,
and I am sorry if my being silly upset you. If so, let me know, and
I'll knock it off here, and only be serious about it.
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> The Amiga has always been able to work at resolutions other than TV.
>> That's just the default settings.
>
> Sorry. I never saw the A1000 plugged into any monitor more resolute than
> a television. Maybe in theory, yes, but not something you could buy off
> the shelf.
I've had my A1200 plugged into a monitor running at 960 x 720 for ages.
It's just that games tend to not like it very much. :-(
[That's kind of the Amiga's downfall. Too many applications bypass the
OS because "the hardware is always the same". This fails epically when
the hardware changes...]
> It was very awesome technology. I still have all the textbooks. I still
> think it's a great way to build an OS. It's just hard to do it
> multi-user. :-)
It *was* nice to feel all smug watching those PC guys struggling along
with 16-colour VGA graphics when I had a machine that would display
*millions* of colours simultaneously. ;-)
But then the hardware stood still for 10 years...
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And lo on Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:21:46 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Doctor John wrote:
>> Why is it that so many M$ users (present company excepted) defend their
>> choice by pointing to the success of M$ as a company rather than being
>> able to rationally discuss the pros and cons of Windows (all variants)
>> as a stable and secure OS?
>
> Because non-technical people don't know about that stuff. They just know
> that it can't be *too* bad if that many people are using it. I.e., they
> look at the users, and trust the opinion of those who most got it right.
>
> It's not science, it's politics.
Another conversation
"Millions of people can't be wrong!"
"Why not?"
"Um well because er if something was wrong then people would stop using it"
"And the first person who tries that gets told 'Millions of people can't
be wrong'"
"Um"
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And lo on Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:27:22 +0100, scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> did
spake, saying:
> I would far rather trust MS with that than a group of voluntary
> workers. MS has a brand name to protect and shareholders to please,
> they are not going to do anything stupid.
Vista? Sorry cheap shot ;-)
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--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> Damn - what on earth could you possibly use 1 TB of disk for?? o_O
>
Video comes to mind. I use my 0.5TB external drive to store photos (in
raw format, JPEG is inferior, much better to have the full-res 14bit
file) It's nice to know I have breathing room, though, but it is slowly
shrinking. I'll probably need to buy another one in a year or two.
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>> I would far rather trust MS with that than a group of voluntary workers.
>> MS has a brand name to protect and shareholders to please, they are not
>> going to do anything stupid.
>
> Vista? Sorry cheap shot ;-)
Hehe, but would have been stupider not to release Vista (what would happen
to MS once everyone owned a copy of WinXP?).
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Phil Cook wrote:
> Another conversation
>
> "Millions of people can't be wrong!"
> "Why not?"
> "Um well because er if something was wrong then people would stop using it"
> "And the first person who tries that gets told 'Millions of people can't
> be wrong'"
> "Um"
Behold the King's Magical Suit!
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Invisible wrote:
>
>> Haven't used a distro's config for a few years now. Call me a dinosaur
>> but at least if anything goes wrong I know what I did so I can reverse
>> it.
>
> Well, there are advantages to that too - but it does require you to be a
> complete expert in exactly how everything on the entire machine works in
> order to configure anything.
>
...and the way I learnt was by playing with the various config files and
making (frequent) mistakes. :-)
John
--
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.
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> ...and the way I learnt was by playing with the various config files and
> making (frequent) mistakes. :-)
Dude, that's like trying to learn POV-Ray without reading the manual! o_O
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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:15:17 +0100, scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> did
spake, saying:
>>> I would far rather trust MS with that than a group of voluntary
>>> workers. MS has a brand name to protect and shareholders to please,
>>> they are not going to do anything stupid.
>>
>> Vista? Sorry cheap shot ;-)
>
> Hehe, but would have been stupider not to release Vista (what would
> happen to MS once everyone owned a copy of WinXP?).
They'd have to produce a new OS that was better then XP? Alright being
serious everyone compares Vista to the early days of XP, except then we
were talking about switching home users from an unstable 95/98/ME OS to a
more stable XP that didn't require too stupid a hardware jump and seemed
to feature much more obvious benefits.
Now we've got a base using the stable XP, which just works (most of the
time) with anything you throw at it and trying to get them to invest in
this new Vista system by the same old tactic of 'convincing' the hardware
distributors to only use it. Then the home users find that half
(exaggeration) the stuff they want to do they can't run, that it's slower
on boot, slower to load; but hey at least it's pretty, assuming you've not
got suckered into that whole "Vista capable" scam
Microsoft can whine all they like about the fact its more secure etc. the
fact is as it stands it's worse then XP from a user perspective. The best
comparison may be getting the 2k user base upgrading to XP or hell even
the 2k crowd to Vista, why should I bother?
Anyway here's some silly examples of fun with Vista -
Windows Defender has blocked some startup programs. Hmm well these
programs are fine, a part of the sound/video software please run them and
stop bothering me. No can do; I'll run them, but I'll bug you about it
next time you reboot and next time and next time...
"I don't like this [news widget] how do I get rid of it?" Easy I clicked
on the widget then the X button that appeared, oh no wait as soon as my
cursor passes off the main body of the item the X and properties buttons
vanish. I'll use the main bar properties to remove it, nope you can
install but can't seem to remove. I ended up dragging it off the side bar
at which point it retained the close button for me to select.
On occasion decides to downgrade the wireless connection from Local and
Internet to just Local needs disconnecting and reconnecting or diagnose
fault'ing before it returns.
Still can't get it to sync with a Nokia phone by cable without core
dumping, still can't get it to sync with a Sony Ericsson phone full stop.
Still wondering why after logging in it displays the normal screen then
goes black and refreshes itself
Still wondering why the boot process to log-in is slower the XP and why it
takes longer to allow you do something past that point despite the fact
it's running on much better hardware.
Still amused that as part of the Ultimate package and running the MCE
section setup it asks what cables I'm using to connect the computer to the
screen - it's a laptop and Vista knows it's a laptop.
Still refuses to create or open an Access 2k database in Access 2k, Word
and Excel work fine though it wouldn't save passwords in Outlook.
Still curious as to why on boot it just displays a moving 'scroll bar'
line with no logo - oo a black screen with a moving bar to watch; how dull.
Still annoyed that to shut it down you have to pick the arrow next to the
lock button which then displays a sad 98 style menu bar as if it was some
sort of afterthought (reading some articles it may well have been).
Before anyone points out that there are/may be ways around these or that
these problems are/may be caused by third-party drivers - I know, but from
the point of view of the users I'm with it don't work.
--
Phil Cook
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http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Invisible wrote:
>> ...and the way I learnt was by playing with the various config files and
>> making (frequent) mistakes. :-)
>
> Dude, that's like trying to learn POV-Ray without reading the manual! o_O
>
It worked for me :-) I started to read the manuals after I had
internalised the structure. I learnt POV much the same way. Ditto many
other things I do. Manuals don't work with me until I've got a mental
feel for the subject then I use them to polish the finished product.
(Mixed metaphors all over the place but ykwim)
... and before you ask, Standing up in a hammock on a 42ft yacht in a
force 9 in the North Atlantic :-D
John
--
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.
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Phil Cook wrote:
> They'd have to produce a new OS that was better then XP? Alright being
> serious everyone compares Vista to the early days of XP, except then we
> were talking about switching home users from an unstable 95/98/ME OS to
> a more stable XP that didn't require too stupid a hardware jump and
> seemed to feature much more obvious benefits.
>
> Now we've got a base using the stable XP, which just works (most of the
> time) with anything you throw at it and trying to get them to invest in
> this new Vista system by the same old tactic of 'convincing' the
> hardware distributors to only use it. Then the home users find that half
> (exaggeration) the stuff they want to do they can't run, that it's
> slower on boot, slower to load; but hey at least it's pretty, assuming
> you've not got suckered into that whole "Vista capable" scam
>
> Microsoft can whine all they like about the fact its more secure etc.
> the fact is as it stands it's worse then XP from a user perspective. The
> best comparison may be getting the 2k user base upgrading to XP or hell
> even the 2k crowd to Vista, why should I bother?
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070331
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:36:22 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> Microsoft can whine all they like about the fact its more secure etc
.
>> the fact is as it stands it's worse then XP from a user perspective.
>> The best comparison may be getting the 2k user base upgrading to XP o
r
>> hell even the 2k crowd to Vista, why should I bother?
>
> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070331
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/news.php?i=1355
Which I partialy agree with; though I find his comment about turning off
the security windows amusing as it doesn't answer the questions as to wh
y
do people want to turn then off nor why were they implemented.
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> They'd have to produce a new OS that was better then XP?
I think that's the problem, it is pretty hard for MS to drastically improve
on XP, but I guess they tried, and thanks to OEMs and software/hardware
vendors we will all be forced to buy Vista at some point in the future.
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Invisible escribió:
> Dude, that's like trying to learn POV-Ray without reading the manual! o_O
>
That's what a friend was trying to do...
him: I'll just try out stuff, like I do to learn any other program
me: but in other programs you have menus and stuff that you can explore,
you can't do that in a programming language
him: shutup I'll do it my way
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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> a écrit dans le message de
news: op.t8xqkvy4c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
> Still refuses to create or open an Access 2k database in Access 2k.
Do you have the trial version of Office 2007 installed? There's a problem
with references due to Vista's security requirements (it's explained in
detail somewhere in the KB) so you can't have 2K and 2007 installed without
Access 2k crashing or doing weird stuff. Just uninstall the trial Office
2007 and it should work.
G.
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- Graphic experiments
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- Posters
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scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
> > They'd have to produce a new OS that was better then XP?
> I think that's the problem, it is pretty hard for MS to drastically improve
> on XP, but I guess they tried, and thanks to OEMs and software/hardware
> vendors we will all be forced to buy Vista at some point in the future.
I think that's the main problem with Microsoft: They have to try to
release completely "new and drastically improved" versions of Windows
each 5 years or so. In pratice, they have to create new versions of
Windows which they can sell at full price every time.
Free OSes such as Linux don't suffer from this problem. They can be
developed without any pressure, one feature at a time. There's no need
to create a new major version each 5 years. The OS is just improved
little by little, and most people just upgrade when they want, if they
want. There are no "big but bug-ridden major releases" of Linux. There's
no need for that.
Of course there may be "big but bug-ridden major releases" of some
specific linux distros, but even with those the problem is not as bad
as with Windows. There just isn't the same kind of commercial pressure.
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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:36:07 +0100, Gilles Tran
<gil### [at] agroparistechfr> did spake, saying:
> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> a écrit dans le message
> de
> news: op.t8xqkvy4c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>
>> Still refuses to create or open an Access 2k database in Access 2k.
>
> Do you have the trial version of Office 2007 installed? There's a problem
> with references due to Vista's security requirements (it's explained in
> detail somewhere in the KB) so you can't have 2K and 2007 installed
> without
> Access 2k crashing or doing weird stuff. Just uninstall the trial Office
> 2007 and it should work.
It was installed and got uninstalled, but it does have full Outlook 07 on
it now.
I looked up the exact error I was getting in the KB and it told me I was
trying to open a database that had been sorted in the non-default way in a
different language, which a) wasn't true and b) wasn't true. Nothing about
'oh by the way you can't have a 07 and 2k product installed on Vista at
the same time', but I'll have another look; thanks.
--
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Doctor John wrote:
> It worked for me :-) I started to read the manuals after I had
> internalised the structure. I learnt POV much the same way. Ditto many
> other things I do. Manuals don't work with me until I've got a mental
> feel for the subject then I use them to polish the finished product.
> (Mixed metaphors all over the place but ykwim)
I should add that in the beginning I had a mentor who was able to point
me in the right direction if I was going hopelessly wrong but he agreed
with me that the best way to learn is by making mastikes. Doing it that
way often leads one to finding undocumented "features" and sometimes
even to useful insights about the utility/app being played with.
I don't recommend hitting the system with a large hammer but I certainly
advocate taking the back off, getting out a jeweller's loupe and gently
probing around with the recommended set of tools.
John
--
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.
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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
news:op.t8xqkvy4c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
> Still annoyed that to shut it down you have to pick the arrow next to the
> lock button which then displays a sad 98 style menu bar as if it was some
> sort of afterthought (reading some articles it may well have been).
My wife received a laptop from Father Christmas recently, and with
Vista Home, I noticed that too.
First thought was: "Weird!"
~Steve~
> Phil Cook
>
> --
> I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
> http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:21:46 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
> did spake, saying:
>
>> Doctor John wrote:
>>> Why is it that so many M$ users (present company excepted) defend their
>>> choice by pointing to the success of M$ as a company rather than being
>>> able to rationally discuss the pros and cons of Windows (all variants)
>>> as a stable and secure OS?
>>
>> Because non-technical people don't know about that stuff. They just
>> know that it can't be *too* bad if that many people are using it.
>> I.e., they look at the users, and trust the opinion of those who most
>> got it right.
>>
>> It's not science, it's politics.
>
> Another conversation
>
> "Millions of people can't be wrong!"
> "Why not?"
> "Um well because er if something was wrong then people would stop using it"
or
"And the first person who tried it got told 'Millions of people can't be
wrong'"
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:17:12 +0100, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
>news:op.t8xqkvy4c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>
>> Still annoyed that to shut it down you have to pick the arrow next to the
>> lock button which then displays a sad 98 style menu bar as if it was some
>> sort of afterthought (reading some articles it may well have been).
Oh! A rant against Vista. Can I join in? :)
I've also been using the trial version of office 2007 and I can't find
anything when I want it. My F1 key is showing signs of wear. Great new
job and new software, don't ya love it? :)
> My wife received a laptop from Father Christmas recently, and with
>Vista Home, I noticed that too.
>
> First thought was: "Weird!"
>
What lock button? Oh! Ctrl Alt Del doesn't bring up the taskmanager.
Isn't that a step backward?
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Stephen
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Phil Cook escribió:
> Still annoyed that to shut it down you have to pick the arrow next to
> the lock button which then displays a sad 98 style menu bar as if it was
> some sort of afterthought (reading some articles it may well have been).
An afterthought that took a year to "plan".
http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html
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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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> I've also been using the trial version of office 2007 and I can't find
> anything when I want it. My F1 key is showing signs of wear. Great new
> job and new software, don't ya love it? :)
If I may suggest...
Take an hour or so and explore the ribbon bars. Once you get used to it it's
actually not too bad.
Biggest problem I have these days is switching between 2007 on the laptop,
2003 on my office machine and 2000 on my home desktop
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Phil Cook wrote:
> "And the first person who tries that gets told 'Millions of people can't
> be wrong'"
Love it!
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Phil Cook wrote:
> the security windows amusing as it doesn't answer the questions as to
> why do people want to turn then off nor why were they implemented.
If you're getting "are you sure" instead of "enter your password",
you're running as administrator. That's the basic bad behavior people
have to be trained away from.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Darren New wrote:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> "And the first person who tries that gets told 'Millions of people
>> can't be wrong'"
>
> Love it!
PEOPLE ARE SHEEP! >_<
[Hey, I guess that kinda lets Wales off the hook, eh?]
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Phil Cook wrote:
> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/news.php?i=1355
>
> Which I partialy agree with; though I find his comment about turning off
> the security windows amusing as it doesn't answer the questions as to
> why do people want to turn then off nor why were they implemented.
Oh, right, sure. Vista still has bugs because any large new product will
have bugs, and M$, the richest software company on Earth, has done
everything they could have to ease the situation. It's not like they
could have designed the OS properly, with a simpler internal structure
and 50x less bloat and thus fixed all the problems before the thing even
left the drawing board. No, Sir...
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:38:13 +0200, "Gail Shaw" <initialsurname@sentech
sa dot com> wrote:
>
>"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
>news:18v4v31556shbvmt7cgjtbqepeldui5hia@4ax.com...
>
>> I've also been using the trial version of office 2007 and I can't find
>> anything when I want it. My F1 key is showing signs of wear. Great new
>> job and new software, don't ya love it? :)
>
>If I may suggest...
>Take an hour or so and explore the ribbon bars. Once you get used to it it's
>actually not too bad.
>
Of course you may and I know I should but I just want my fingers to do
the thinking. I should configure the quick access Toolbar and I am
sure I will if I keep it.
I'm not hip must be getting old
Cause change is Evil so I'm told. :)
>Biggest problem I have these days is switching between 2007 on the laptop,
>2003 on my office machine and 2000 on my home desktop
>
But you are young with a flexible mind. (A cool kata <groan>)
Last job I was switching between different keyboards.
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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:51:38 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull>
wrote:
>Darren New wrote:
>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>> "And the first person who tries that gets told 'Millions of people
>>> can't be wrong'"
>>
>> Love it!
>
>PEOPLE ARE SHEEP! >_<
>
>[Hey, I guess that kinda lets Wales off the hook, eh?]
ROTFL Now St is going to visit with his wellies :)
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> I would assume you would need to know what the behavior difference in a
> Word97 linebreak versus a normal line break.
Does the other standard actually lay out all the calculations used to do
word breaks? That would seem to be a rather limiting standard, actually.
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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> Oh! Ctrl Alt Del doesn't bring up the taskmanager.
It doesn't on my XP machine either, it brings up the "Windows Security"
window, where Task Manager is an option.
To get task manager I usually right click on the task bar at the bottom and
choose it.
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:32:54 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
>> Oh! Ctrl Alt Del doesn't bring up the taskmanager.
>
>It doesn't on my XP machine either, it brings up the "Windows Security"
>window, where Task Manager is an option.
>
I does on my old XP laptop and that is where I usually shutdown or
hibernate from.
>To get task manager I usually right click on the task bar at the bottom and
>choose it.
>
That too :)
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>>It doesn't on my XP machine either, it brings up the "Windows Security"
>>window, where Task Manager is an option.
>>
> I does on my old XP laptop and that is where I usually shutdown or
> hibernate from.
Hmm I think it has something to do with the user account settings and how
you log on, on my gf's laptop she has that list of users with the little
pictures to log on, but I have the normal logon box. ANd of course on hers
pressing C-A-D brings up the task manager instantly, but mine doesn't.
BTW I always put my laptop into stand-by mode, never actually shut it down.
Otherwise I need to put in some pesky USB security key and password to get
past the bios everytime I switch it on.
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:08:56 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
>>>It doesn't on my XP machine either, it brings up the "Windows Security"
>>>window, where Task Manager is an option.
>>>
>> I does on my old XP laptop and that is where I usually shutdown or
>> hibernate from.
>
>Hmm I think it has something to do with the user account settings and how
>you log on, on my gf's laptop she has that list of users with the little
>pictures to log on, but I have the normal logon box. ANd of course on hers
>pressing C-A-D brings up the task manager instantly, but mine doesn't.
Oh! I only have one user account on that machine and I don't have to
logon. I do have a power on password. ;)
>BTW I always put my laptop into stand-by mode, never actually shut it down.
>Otherwise I need to put in some pesky USB security key and password to get
>past the bios everytime I switch it on.
>
I usually hibernate mine but every now and again it needs a good
reboot.
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Stephen
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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:48:53 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> the security windows amusing as it doesn't answer the questions as to
>> why do people want to turn then off nor why were they implemented.
>
> If you're getting "are you sure" instead of "enter your password",
> you're running as administrator. That's the basic bad behavior people
> have to be trained away from.
Yeah worked well with XP; people are people. If you told someone they
should run as a LUser, but some of their programmes might not work/install
and anytime they wanted to change some stuff they'd have to retype their
admin password OR you could just run as an administrator (which appears to
be the default option again) everything runs/installs fine and you just
need to click on a button to confirm you want to run somthing; then what
will people do?
The latest wonder is that Media Player won't start unless "run as"
Administrator, doing a search reveals others with this problem and the
curernt solution is to unistall any 'suspect' media players. So bye-bye to
the only programme that'll play transport stream files and/or 4-on-demand.
--
Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:23:16 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>
did spake, saying:
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:17:12 +0100, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
>> news:op.t8xqkvy4c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>>
>>> Still annoyed that to shut it down you have to pick the arrow next to
>>> the
>>> lock button which then displays a sad 98 style menu bar as if it was
>>> some
>>> sort of afterthought (reading some articles it may well have been).
>
> Oh! A rant against Vista. Can I join in? :)
Sorry invitation only :-P
> I've also been using the trial version of office 2007 and I can't find
> anything when I want it. My F1 key is showing signs of wear. Great new
> job and new software, don't ya love it? :)
First experience with Word 2007 was trying to simply open a file on the
network. The program started and I thought "So how the hell do I open a
file?" No File, Edit etc. menu; no Open File icon. I flicked through the
ribbons with no succes and hit F1 which directed me to the big windows
icon in the top left corner which I hadn't even noticed. I suppose I could
have tried Ctrl+O, just didn't occur to me at the time.
>> My wife received a laptop from Father Christmas recently, and with
>> Vista Home, I noticed that too.
>>
>> First thought was: "Weird!"
>>
> What lock button? Oh! Ctrl Alt Del doesn't bring up the taskmanager.
> Isn't that a step backward?
Yeah as discussed the default behaviour for Vista is the occasional
behaviour of XP depending on the user configuration.
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http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:51:38 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull>
did spake, saying:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>> "And the first person who tries that gets told 'Millions of people
>>> can't be wrong'"
>> Love it!
>
> PEOPLE ARE SHEEP! >_<
http://content.apa.org/journals/psp/13/2/79.pdf oh and BTW it's not a pdf
file
I do recall something like this, someone would stand on the pavement and
look up at a particular point on a building. Passers-by would often also
look-up and occasionally also stop. When a crowd has gathered the
instigator would depart leaving said crowd of people staring up at a
building with no-one having any idea as to why.
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--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:36:07 +0100, Gilles Tran
<gil### [at] agroparistechfr> did spake, saying:
> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> a écrit dans le message
> de
> news: op.t8xqkvy4c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>
>> Still refuses to create or open an Access 2k database in Access 2k.
>
> Do you have the trial version of Office 2007 installed? There's a problem
> with references due to Vista's security requirements (it's explained in
> detail somewhere in the KB) so you can't have 2K and 2007 installed
> without
> Access 2k crashing or doing weird stuff. Just uninstall the trial Office
> 2007 and it should work.
Odd I thought I'd answered this, oh well.
Yeah the trial version of Office 07 was on it, and got removed; then
Outlook 07 was put back on. Stupidly I looked up the error code and
googled that rather then 'why doesn't Access 2k work with 07' I'll have a
look at that though I suspect the answer will be buy Access 07.
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http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Invisible wrote:
>
> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070331
>
That's a pretty accurate view of Vista.
Of coruse, I just got jabbed with another of those sharp spikes the
other day, attempting to load help for a program. Apparently they've
dropped support for the old-fashioned winhelp. Which means programs that
use the old help system (there are plenty of them) won't show any help
files...
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> That's a pretty accurate view of Vista.
;-)
I love the way the chair is *hurting* him, and yet he still defends it,
and still tries to mutilate his body to fit into it. That's so deep, man!
> Of coruse, I just got jabbed with another of those sharp spikes the
> other day, attempting to load help for a program. Apparently they've
> dropped support for the old-fashioned winhelp. Which means programs that
> use the old help system (there are plenty of them) won't show any help
> files...
What, no helpfull message telling you *why* it's not displayed? OK,
that's pretty bad...
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Invisible wrote:
>
> What, no helpfull message telling you *why* it's not displayed? OK,
> that's pretty bad...
>
No, no. It gives a helpful message telling you why it doesn't display.
The best part is the user feedback buttons:
Was this article helpful?
(Yes) (No) (Doesn't Apply)
No, it wasn't helpful. It would be much more helpful had I actually been
able to read the help to some esoteric setting in a program I rarely
use. Thanks!
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Phil Cook wrote:
> Yeah worked well with XP; people are people. If you told someone they
> should run as a LUser, but some of their programmes might not
> work/install
The real problem is the vast numbers of specialized crap programs out
there written by people who don't know what they're doing (i.e., experts
in what they're doing rather than experts in programming).
Ten years later, it really should be normal for people to be writing
software that runs as a normal user even if it installs as administrator.
I have a program that tracks real estate. It has a per-machine license
key that it stores in the per-user registry ("because it's a per-user
license. And it would break too much to fix it"[*]). Which means you
cannot install it as administrator and then run it as a normal user. You
have to run it as the same user that installed it. This is a
multi-thousand-dollar program, too. But it was written by a goob who
doesn't understand even the basics of writing usable programs, let alone
advanced stuff like installers.
> The latest wonder is that Media Player won't start unless "run as"
> Administrator, doing a search reveals others with this problem and the
> curernt solution is to unistall any 'suspect' media players.
So why blame Media Player? Why not blame the people who can't even write
a codec that works without admin privs? :-)
([*] Don't you love people who argue "It isn't broken. Besides, it's too
hard to fix." Sorry I didn't call you back. I didn't get your voice
mail. And you didn't leave your phone number on the voice mail.)
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Stephen wrote:
> I does on my old XP laptop and that is where I usually shutdown or
> hibernate from.
It depends whether you have the win2000-style logins or the winxp
five-icon login stuff enabled, I think.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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And lo on Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:58:00 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> Yeah worked well with XP; people are people. If you told someone they
>> should run as a LUser, but some of their programmes might not
>> work/install
>
> The real problem is the vast numbers of specialized crap programs out
> there written by people who don't know what they're doing (i.e., experts
> in what they're doing rather than experts in programming).
>
> Ten years later, it really should be normal for people to be writing
> software that runs as a normal user even if it installs as administrator.
I completely agree and yet...
> I have a program that tracks real estate. It has a per-machine license
> key that it stores in the per-user registry ("because it's a per-user
> license. And it would break too much to fix it"[*]).
> ([*] Don't you love people who argue "It isn't broken. Besides, it's too
> hard to fix." Sorry I didn't call you back. I didn't get your voice
> mail. And you didn't leave your phone number on the voice mail.)
'It's too hard to fix'
'So you admit it's broken'
'No'
Heh.
> Which means you cannot install it as administrator and then run it as a
> normal user. You have to run it as the same user that installed it. This
> is a multi-thousand-dollar program, too. But it was written by a goob
> who doesn't understand even the basics of writing usable programs, let
> alone advanced stuff like installers.
I'm sure I've mentioned someone getting a demo CD of a new game. Their kid
tried to install it on XP (as a LUser) and wondered why after just
clicking on the Next buttons, as he normally did, it wouldn't install.
Default installation directory - c:\program files\company name\game name.
IIRC even after changing that it didn't want to work because it couldn't
write to the system registry.
>> The latest wonder is that Media Player won't start unless "run as"
>> Administrator, doing a search reveals others with this problem and the
>> curernt solution is to unistall any 'suspect' media players.
>
> So why blame Media Player?
Puts on User hat - "Because that's the programme that's stopped working,
the other ones are fine"
> Why not blame the people who can't even write a codec that works without
> admin privs? :-)
Yeah I am; I'm just wondering which one it is.
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Phil Cook wrote:
> I'm sure I've mentioned someone getting a demo CD of a new game. Their
> kid tried to install it on XP (as a LUser) and wondered why after just
> clicking on the Next buttons, as he normally did, it wouldn't install.
> Default installation directory - c:\program files\company name\game
> name. IIRC even after changing that it didn't want to work because it
> couldn't write to the system registry.
Well, yeah, installing software is often going to need admin privs.
Given you only do that once per program, I don't have too much trouble
with that. Of course, given it's a demo, you'd think they'd manage to
make it so you could play it without "installing" it. On the third hand,
given it's a demo, how much effort do you think management wants to
spend on developing and testing it?
> Puts on User hat - "Because that's the programme that's stopped working,
> the other ones are fine"
Well, sure. But you know what you're doing.
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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And lo on Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:56:25 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> I'm sure I've mentioned someone getting a demo CD of a new game. Their
>> kid tried to install it on XP (as a LUser) and wondered why after just
>> clicking on the Next buttons, as he normally did, it wouldn't install.
>> Default installation directory - c:\program files\company name\game
>> name. IIRC even after changing that it didn't want to work because it
>> couldn't write to the system registry.
>
> Well, yeah, installing software is often going to need admin privs.
> Given you only do that once per program, I don't have too much trouble
> with that.
Except it was going to be installed by one user for one user, as a LUser
anything they install shouldn't be able to change anything systemwise and
in this case shouldn't *need* to change anything systemwise. Given that
this was also a U-certificate type game demo should it really need an
admin to install and possibly run?
> Of course, given it's a demo, you'd think they'd manage to make it so
> you could play it without "installing" it. On the third hand, given it's
> a demo, how much effort do you think management wants to spend on
> developing and testing it?
To the extent they want to be able to sell the full game, which in this
case they didn't.
>> Puts on User hat - "Because that's the programme that's stopped
>> working, the other ones are fine"
>
> Well, sure. But you know what you're doing.
Only if I change hats.
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scott escribió:
> To get task manager I usually right click on the task bar at the bottom
> and choose it.
Ctrl-Shift-Esc
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scott escribió:
> Hmm I think it has something to do with the user account settings and
> how you log on, on my gf's laptop she has that list of users with the
> little pictures to log on, but I have the normal logon box. ANd of
> course on hers pressing C-A-D brings up the task manager instantly, but
> mine doesn't.
Control panel. User accounts. Choose a task... Change the way users log
in. Enable "use the welcome screen" checkbox.
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