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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 16:28:08
Message: <47f15768@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47f14e4f$1@news.povray.org...
> >> OK, I rephrase: Can you actually *do* something useful with this data
> >> once you have it?
> >
> > Mount it as a virtual dvd and treat it as if it was a disk. (Daemon
tools,
> > etc)
>
> Oh... I wouldn't have expected that to work due to copy protection.

What I'm generally ripping doesn't have copy protection.
SQL Server DVDs
Conference proceedings
Game demo disks (from magazines)
etc

I never said I was ripping DVD video (which is just as possible, but
slightly more difficult and doesn't result in an iso file)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 17:23:57
Message: <tuo2v35igqn31gi5op6if64b0vplej67gc@4ax.com>
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:28:43 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

>
>I never said I was ripping DVD video (which is just as possible, but
>slightly more difficult and doesn't result in an iso file)
>
It can, if you are that way inclined :)
Just about any illegal activity can be done, if you are that way
inclined.
Not that I am but I had a hard milk round :) and I know a few dubious
people.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 22:01:25
Message: <47f1a585@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> The Amiga has always been able to work at resolutions other than TV. 
> That's just the default settings.

Sorry. I never saw the A1000 plugged into any monitor more resolute than 
a television. Maybe in theory, yes, but not something you could buy off 
the shelf.

(IIRC, not even in theory, tho. :-)

> I've yet to see any group of people as fanatical about a technology as 
> the Amiga users though. 

It was very awesome technology. I still have all the textbooks. I still 
think it's a great way to build an OS.  It's just hard to do it 
multi-user. :-)

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 22:05:01
Message: <47f1a65d$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Perhaps I'm not understanding correctly - video data typically eats a 
> few GB per minute. So why do you need 1,000 GB? That's, like, several 
> *hours* of video data. You'd have to be producing a feature film or 
> something to need more, surely?

I took nine hours of video on my vacation to Africa. Editted down to (I 
think) 2.

It's sitting on tapes, waiting for me to pull it in to burn to DVD, now 
that I have that capabilitiy.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 31 Mar 2008 22:27:55
Message: <47f1abbb$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   It's incredible how you find ways to bash C++ in every possible context.

Actually, I'd like to apologize.

If, for some reason, you're taking my C++ comments as a personal 
offense, I'd like to point out they weren't made with that intent. I 
think you, Warp, are an extremely skilled and intelligent person. While 
I haven't seen any of your code, I expect I would hire you to work on 
mission-critical software my livelihood depends on without a second 
thought. Your comments are usually insightful and thought-provoking, 
enough so that I went out and bought a couple of C++ books to re-learn 
its capabilities in case it would be appropriate in my future. When my 
opinion differs from yours, it's almost always simply a matter of 
preference or opinion rather than something factual. (Windows sucks! 
Linux is hard to use! :-) In the rare case where it's something factual 
and I think I happen to be right, it's something where I have recent 
experience and you don't and the "common folklore" is out of date.

I bash C++ because its power excuses it for many of the flaws I see. I 
could equally bash Perl or PHP or any other language I've ever used, 
probably easier, because they have so few other redeeming qualities. 
It's easy to bash a lame language that's lame because the designers 
didn't care. It's more fun to bash a powerful language that seems lame 
because of complex intentional restrictions on its design.

I bash C++ for the same reason I'd mock someone who fells trees with 
dynamite: If you can manage it, hats off to you, but let me stand way 
over there and watch the fun while you do it... :-) It's certainly most 
effective, as certainly as it's inappropriate for inexperienced people.

If you think that when I'm making fun of C++'s shortcomings I'm also 
making fun of those who use C++ effectively, let me just say I'm not, 
and I am sorry if my being silly upset you.  If so, let me know, and 
I'll knock it off here, and only be serious about it.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 1 Apr 2008 04:25:20
Message: <47f1ff80$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> The Amiga has always been able to work at resolutions other than TV. 
>> That's just the default settings.
> 
> Sorry. I never saw the A1000 plugged into any monitor more resolute than 
> a television. Maybe in theory, yes, but not something you could buy off 
> the shelf.

I've had my A1200 plugged into a monitor running at 960 x 720 for ages. 
It's just that games tend to not like it very much. :-(

[That's kind of the Amiga's downfall. Too many applications bypass the 
OS because "the hardware is always the same". This fails epically when 
the hardware changes...]

> It was very awesome technology. I still have all the textbooks. I still 
> think it's a great way to build an OS.  It's just hard to do it 
> multi-user. :-)

It *was* nice to feel all smug watching those PC guys struggling along 
with 16-colour VGA graphics when I had a machine that would display 
*millions* of colours simultaneously. ;-)

But then the hardware stood still for 10 years...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 1 Apr 2008 06:21:02
Message: <op.t8xi0wgmc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:21:46 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Doctor John wrote:
>> Why is it that so many M$ users (present company excepted) defend their
>> choice by pointing to the success of M$ as a company rather than being
>> able to rationally discuss the pros and cons of Windows (all variants)
>> as a stable and secure OS?
>
> Because non-technical people don't know about that stuff. They just know  
> that it can't be *too* bad if that many people are using it.  I.e., they  
> look at the users, and trust the opinion of those who most got it right.
>
> It's not science, it's politics.

Another conversation

"Millions of people can't be wrong!"
"Why not?"
"Um well because er if something was wrong then people would stop using it"
"And the first person who tries that gets told 'Millions of people can't  
be wrong'"
"Um"

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 1 Apr 2008 06:34:03
Message: <op.t8xjmljwc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:27:22 +0100, scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> did  
spake, saying:

> I would far rather trust MS with that than a group of voluntary  
> workers.  MS has a brand name to protect and shareholders to please,  
> they are not going to do anything stupid.

Vista? Sorry cheap shot ;-)

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 1 Apr 2008 06:49:45
Message: <47f22159$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> 
> Damn - what on earth could you possibly use 1 TB of disk for?? o_O
> 

Video comes to mind. I use my 0.5TB external drive to store photos (in 
raw format, JPEG is inferior, much better to have the full-res 14bit 
file) It's nice to know I have breathing room, though, but it is slowly 
shrinking. I'll probably need to buy another one in a year or two.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Yet another Doctor John rant
Date: 1 Apr 2008 07:14:53
Message: <47f2273d$1@news.povray.org>
>> I would far rather trust MS with that than a group of voluntary  workers. 
>> MS has a brand name to protect and shareholders to please,  they are not 
>> going to do anything stupid.
>
> Vista? Sorry cheap shot ;-)

Hehe, but would have been stupider not to release Vista (what would happen 
to MS once everyone owned a copy of WinXP?).


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