yesbird <sya### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 24/02/2023 02:41, Mike Miller wrote:
> Hi, Mike.
> > I found fish13.pov in my archives and currently cleaning it up for yesbird. I'm
> > imbedding the CTDS (connect the dots smoothly) #declares and wrapping it as a
> > macro to become fish13.inc.
>
> As I wrote in objects.collection, I've done almost all of this work, but
> if you already have some result, please send it to me - I will merge it
> with mine version, to get best from both.
>
> > I should have the train station, ionic5, and most all of the stuff I posted in
> > the early 90's. Let me know if you what anything uploaded. Thanks :)
> I will be glad to top up my collection from your archive, if you share
> the examples.
>
> > Depending on complexity of the scene file I may just write a conversion script
> > to handle the syntax changes for these old scenes. Particularly files that use
> > CTDS. Lots of non-comma delineated transforms and scales.
> It will really help, as I have a lot of difficulties while upgraded
> fish13 to 3.8, and still have some of them (transformation collisions
> after putting a commas, according new syntax)
>
> > I did the card, balloons and
> > bugs. ...lol.
> Could you send me a bugs, please ? I will make beetles from them )
> --
> YB


> As I wrote in objects.collection, I've done almost all of this work, but
> if you already have some result, please send it to me - I will merge it
> with mine version, to get best from both.


Thanks...sounds like you has that fish in order. I ran into the same problem
with on some 'fin' parts. I'm re-doing a few things and will post my version
soon. I had to refer back to my sketch to get some of the right transforms.
Thanks

I used that bug in few renderings. I'll track it down. :)

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=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_=22Yadgar=22_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 20.02.23 23:17, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>
> > And here I was, thinking that I was an old timer.  I didn't know about
> > POV until 2003.
>
> I read first about POV-Ray in 1995 in Chip, a German computing magazine
> and started soon after this with playing around with the raytracer (back
> then using Moray as a frontend)... but discovered news.povray.org only
> in 2000!
>
> See you in Khyberspace!
>
> Yadgar
>
> Now playing: On the Silent Wings of Freedom (Yes)

With all this talk about when ya started POV I had to say somewhere that my
oldest file I can find is dated 1\12\1999. I when looking for POV or something
like it.
I got tired of doing images bit by bit with 16 colors, 252 colors, 256 color
palettes.
When I found POV I was blown away. And I never got over it!
Have fun!

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"Leroy" <whe### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_=22Yadgar=22_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> > Hi(gh)!
> >
> > On 20.02.23 23:17, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> >
> > > And here I was, thinking that I was an old timer.  I didn't know about
> > > POV until 2003.
> >
> > I read first about POV-Ray in 1995 in Chip, a German computing magazine
> > and started soon after this with playing around with the raytracer (back
> > then using Moray as a frontend)... but discovered news.povray.org only
> > in 2000!
> >
> > See you in Khyberspace!
> >
> > Yadgar
> >
> > Now playing: On the Silent Wings of Freedom (Yes)
>
> With all this talk about when ya started POV I had to say somewhere that my
> oldest file I can find is dated 1\12\1999. I when looking for POV or something
> like it.
> I got tired of doing images bit by bit with 16 colors, 252 colors, 256 color
> palettes.
> When I found POV I was blown away. And I never got over it!
> Have fun!

Same. ahh yes...the 256 indexed palette. I always loved the way you can cycle
through the palette to produce looping color animations like Stone Soup Group's
Fractint.
Mike

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"s.day" <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote:
>
> I have to say you are the reason I picked up Povray from PC Format magazine in
> 1993 so glad to see you are back and a big thank you for the inspiration.

Now that you mentioned, I think that could perhaps be the same source for me
too. Back in '93 a family friend gave me an issue of some PC magazine that he
had picked up on a trip to UK, and I remember it had a cover disk with POV on
it. I doubt I have the original disk or even the magazine still left anywhere,
but I just did some googling and discovered that at least March '93 issue of PC
Format had POV on the cover disk, yet I don't recall that particular mag cover
myself. It could have been some other one as well ofc, as computer magazines
were plenty back in the day. But in any case, it was POV 2.0 that I started
with, and my first renderings are from December '93. Not long ago I discovered a
collection of my old 3,5" disks while visiting my childhood home and found old
..pov files on those. Too bad there were no original renderings in .tga format on
any of those. Unless those couple of suspicious looking LHA and ARJ packages
that I didn't extract yet could have something in them. :D


"Mike Miller" <mil### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Attached is an old test rendering of the fish form prior to image
> mapping the texture.

I remember this fish too! It surely blew my mind back then and I still think
it's cool! I remember in those times I couldn't for the love of me figure out
how that fish was made. :D

These latest blobs/abstracts are indeed incredible! Cheers! :)

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"Pekka Aho" <kuu### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "s.day" <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote:
> >
> > I have to say you are the reason I picked up Povray from PC Format magazine in
> > 1993 so glad to see you are back and a big thank you for the inspiration.
>
> Now that you mentioned, I think that could perhaps be the same source for me
> too. Back in '93 a family friend gave me an issue of some PC magazine that he
> had picked up on a trip to UK, and I remember it had a cover disk with POV on
> it. I doubt I have the original disk or even the magazine still left anywhere,
> but I just did some googling and discovered that at least March '93 issue of PC
> Format had POV on the cover disk, yet I don't recall that particular mag cover
> myself. It could have been some other one as well ofc, as computer magazines
> were plenty back in the day. But in any case, it was POV 2.0 that I started
> with, and my first renderings are from December '93. Not long ago I discovered a
> collection of my old 3,5" disks while visiting my childhood home and found old
> ..pov files on those. Too bad there were no original renderings in .tga format on
> any of those. Unless those couple of suspicious looking LHA and ARJ packages
> that I didn't extract yet could have something in them. :D
>
>
> "Mike Miller" <mil### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks. Attached is an old test rendering of the fish form prior to image
> > mapping the texture.
>
> I remember this fish too! It surely blew my mind back then and I still think
> it's cool! I remember in those times I couldn't for the love of me figure out
> how that fish was made. :D
>
> These latest blobs/abstracts are indeed incredible! Cheers! :)


Thanks. haha..yes, I did the cover for Format March '93. Exactly 30 years
ago.  I can't find most of my 3.5's with POV work - they're in my attic
somewhere. I did come across old archives on 8" winchester floppys and a ton of
5 1/4s but I don't have any old hardware to read them. :)
Mike

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"Mike Miller" <mil### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_=22Yadgar=22_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> > Hi(gh)!
> >
> > On 20.02.23 20:12, Mike Miller wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Sean,
> > > you're showing your age. :) I was just thinking about CTDS script for smooth
> > > forms. I used it extensively for Jack's face.
> > >
> >
> > So you are in fact the same Mike Miller who posted the image attached
> > here almost 20 years ago?
> >
> > See you in Khyberspace!
> >
> > Yadgar
> >
> > Now playing: Onward (Yes)
>
> Not sure who did that rendering. It is a train model I did in 92. haha 30 years
> ago.... sounds worse. :) Attached is a quick comp of a few renderings with the
> train and the Jack model I was working on at the time.
> Thanks

those images were huge inspirations back then, dude...

lots of old timers... but I've always been mostly just a lurker

I came here to show this javascript shader:

https://twigl.app/?ol=true&ss=-NQVK1bDj18UhjVT7D2C

reminded of old pov SCC terse code:

http://paulbourke.net/miscellaneous/scc3/final/

then went to Jaime Vives Piqueres website to see what he's been up to... and it
seems his raytracing hobby days are over:

http://www.ignorancia.org/index.php/ai-art/landscapes/

at least he delves in Unreal Engine and as we know RT is now real-time in
games...

I've played a bit with the image generators, mindblown by how it's basically
rendering old render techniques obsolete:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrMd4IgXwAAMWSp?format=jpg&name=medium

VR and AI have been my latest hobbies... I guess Yngmar's Khyberspace will be in
an AI-generated metaVRse soon...

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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "Mike Miller" <mil### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_=22Yadgar=22_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> > > Hi(gh)!
> > >
> > > On 20.02.23 20:12, Mike Miller wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Sean,
> > > > you're showing your age. :) I was just thinking about CTDS script for smooth
> > > > forms. I used it extensively for Jack's face.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So you are in fact the same Mike Miller who posted the image attached
> > > here almost 20 years ago?
> > >
> > > See you in Khyberspace!
> > >
> > > Yadgar
> > >
> > > Now playing: Onward (Yes)
> >
> > Not sure who did that rendering. It is a train model I did in 92. haha 30 years
> > ago.... sounds worse. :) Attached is a quick comp of a few renderings with the
> > train and the Jack model I was working on at the time.
> > Thanks
>
> those images were huge inspirations back then, dude...
>
> lots of old timers... but I've always been mostly just a lurker
>
> I came here to show this javascript shader:
>
> https://twigl.app/?ol=true&ss=-NQVK1bDj18UhjVT7D2C
>
> reminded of old pov SCC terse code:
>
> http://paulbourke.net/miscellaneous/scc3/final/
>
> then went to Jaime Vives Piqueres website to see what he's been up to... and it
> seems his raytracing hobby days are over:
>
> http://www.ignorancia.org/index.php/ai-art/landscapes/
>
> at least he delves in Unreal Engine and as we know RT is now real-time in
> games...
>
> I've played a bit with the image generators, mindblown by how it's basically
> rendering old render techniques obsolete:
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrMd4IgXwAAMWSp?format=jpg&name=medium
>
> VR and AI have been my latest hobbies... I guess Yngmar's Khyberspace will be in
> an AI-generated metaVRse soon...

I mean "Yadgar"

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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > "Mike Miller" <mil### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > > =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_=22Yadgar=22_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> > > > Hi(gh)!
> > > >
> > > > On 20.02.23 20:12, Mike Miller wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Sean,
> > > > > you're showing your age. :) I was just thinking about CTDS script for smooth
> > > > > forms. I used it extensively for Jack's face.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So you are in fact the same Mike Miller who posted the image attached
> > > > here almost 20 years ago?
> > > >
> > > > See you in Khyberspace!
> > > >
> > > > Yadgar
> > > >
> > > > Now playing: Onward (Yes)
> > >
> > > Not sure who did that rendering. It is a train model I did in 92. haha 30 years
> > > ago.... sounds worse. :) Attached is a quick comp of a few renderings with the
> > > train and the Jack model I was working on at the time.
> > > Thanks
> >
> > those images were huge inspirations back then, dude...
> >
> > lots of old timers... but I've always been mostly just a lurker
> >
> > I came here to show this javascript shader:
> >
> > https://twigl.app/?ol=true&ss=-NQVK1bDj18UhjVT7D2C
> >
> > reminded of old pov SCC terse code:
> >
> > http://paulbourke.net/miscellaneous/scc3/final/
> >
> > then went to Jaime Vives Piqueres website to see what he's been up to... and it
> > seems his raytracing hobby days are over:
> >
> > http://www.ignorancia.org/index.php/ai-art/landscapes/
> >
> > at least he delves in Unreal Engine and as we know RT is now real-time in
> > games...
> >
> > I've played a bit with the image generators, mindblown by how it's basically
> > rendering old render techniques obsolete:
> >
> > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrMd4IgXwAAMWSp?format=jpg&name=medium
> >
> > VR and AI have been my latest hobbies... I guess Yngmar's Khyberspace will be in
> > an AI-generated metaVRse soon...
>
> I mean "Yadgar"


I thought my days of watching a rendering process was over, but the nostalgia
and the fun of coding scenes has me back.... and it's a fun hobby. I have mixed
feelings about some AI generated art. Mind-blowing stuff but I'm old fashion...I
still admire hand illustrations and paintings.
Mike.

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Hi(gh)!

On 16.03.23 17:34, nemesis wrote:
> "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> VR and AI have been my latest hobbies... I guess Yngmar's Khyberspace will be in
>> an AI-generated metaVRse soon...
> 
> I mean "Yadgar"
> 

That would be a very good idea - ChatGPT 4 now is capable of 
understanding Pashto! A full-blown virtual pre-war Afghanistan populated 
with fifteen million virtual Afghans with individual personalities at 
one fingertip! Do they worship ChatGPT 4 in the disguise of Allah?

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

Now playing: Silver Rainbow (Genesis)

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On 22/03/2023 18:24, Jörg "Yadgar" Bleimann wrote:
> That would be a very good idea - ChatGPT 4 now is capable of 
> understanding Pashto! A full-blown virtual pre-war Afghanistan populated 
> with fifteen million virtual Afghans with individual personalities at 
> one fingertip! Do they worship ChatGPT 4 in the disguise of Allah?

And the results can be more dangerous, that in "real" reality
(be aware: long reading):

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/mar/16/the-stupidity-of-ai-artificial-intelligence-dall-e-chatgpt
--
YB

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