On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:11:28 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> checking for approvals/rejections/suggestions/requirements from the
> group for initial splash.

What is the intended usage for this image?  There are lots of places 
where "initial splash" could be used, and without knowing more details 
about how/where it's intended to be used, its difficult to make comments.

I see that several people have commented along these lines, but don't 
seem to have been understood.

Is it for a software installation screen, for a system startup screen, 
for a BIOS startup image - what exactly is the intended point at which 
this image would be used, and by whom?

That said, if you ask for comments/criticism, don't get defensive if 
people provide honest criticisms - if you don't want that, then don't ask 
for it. :-)

Jim

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"Thomas de Groot" wrote:
> I like this a lot. I think the composition is well balanced, especially the
> range of colours. Not intentional maybe, but I think that the text adds
> something special to the image, like if it were some kind of screen showing
> data related to what is happening, or the final credits of a film.
>
> Thomas

Can I come home with you?

only half in jest.

An honor to be in your glow.

aQ


You should have seen the washed out one that once rendered,
I scrambled to remember the changes and keep the rainbow as non-pastel as ...

Its chrome with enough gradients under red/blue/green.
think the object and its lights were posted, so you probably know all of this
already

chin waggin done

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

> Is it for a software installation screen, for a system startup screen,
> for a BIOS startup image - what exactly is the intended point at which
> this image would be used, and by whom?
>
> That said, if you ask for comments/criticism, don't get defensive if
> people provide honest criticisms - if you don't want that, then don't ask
> for it. :-)
>
> Jim

Hi Jim, good to hear from you,

I see questions so I wont ignore:
It's for the program in the upper right.

And it was really for and about the people listed,
as I am not going to about listing people without them having a say in it.

I thought people would read the text about understand the situation.
Silly me.

Defensive is not an accurate description of my reply to indecent remarks
There is nothing to defend. I'll meet each individually and treat them with just
deserts as I see fit, as it should be.

Thank you,
aQ

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hmmm ... upper other-right,

I meant left.

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could have some interesting images with the right subjects and colors.

first attempt and it was, well you see.
 and there is 30:1 constant that would likely change depending on...
 tho I cant explain til I read all of Paul's cool site.

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alphaQuad wrote:
> Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> alphaQuad wrote:
>>> checking for approvals/rejections/suggestions/requirements from the group
>>> for initial splash.
>> Who is your audience?
> 
> I have no desire for an audience.
> 

Then why ask for approvals/rejections from the community as a whole?

>> This image may appeal to the pimply-faced youth
> 
> that was real, without being descriptive, nice of you to add that.
> 

Sorry, but this was my first thought when I see "floating female figure" 
just way too typical in the rendered image world. As of some wish 
fulfillment syndrome. Either floating with wings, or scantily clad with 
guns seems to be the trend. Nothing personal about you, just the CG 
image scene as a whole. More social commentary...

Obviously this is something by you and for you. You did not indicate 
that in your post. I was under the assumption that this may be for a 
general audience, given you were asking for approvals/rejections.

and you didn't get the reference in the comment I made, didn't know if 
you would or not. ;)

> hastily, yes; And a requirement of the compilation and with respect to
> contributors. You understand this concept of respect?
> But, as a competitive icon, never!

Right, yes ... sort of. They wanted it "yesterday" so this is for you 
and the contributors?

> It is 8-bit because that is what was found as a splash.

Can splash screens in your target platform only be 8 bit?

>> and wonder what
>> happened to the "good old days" of POV-Ray.
> 
> cling to that past. it is the 7th and last ego payoff.
> 

Never, but look at the POV-Ray splash screens... They're lavishly 
detailed, interesting, bright. If POV started with a dull, desaturated 
image with so little dynamic range, I'd wonder if it were a step back... 
and wonder what happened when POV-Ray used to be so great.

>> I sincerely hope this is a joke, and if so .... I don't get it. What did
>> I miss?
> 
> I do see a joke.
> 

I think I understand. My critique stands that this is not an optimal 
splash screen, but if you're your own audience, then my (or the rest of 
the community's) critique is irrelevant. It would be tantamount to me 
posting a picture of my kid asking for critique as a desktop background. 
Irrelevant, and I probably wouldn't like the resulting commentary.

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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:54:30 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> 
>> Is it for a software installation screen, for a system startup screen,
>> for a BIOS startup image - what exactly is the intended point at which
>> this image would be used, and by whom?
>>
>> That said, if you ask for comments/criticism, don't get defensive if
>> people provide honest criticisms - if you don't want that, then don't
>> ask for it. :-)
>>
>> Jim
> 
> Hi Jim, good to hear from you,
> 
> I see questions so I wont ignore:
> It's for the program in the upper right.

Seeing that you meant left rather than right - so Paul B is the only 
person intended to use this installer?

> And it was really for and about the people listed, as I am not going to
> about listing people without them having a say in it.

Well, no, not asking for specific names here - perhaps I wasn't clear.  
Is this an installer for a piece of software (for which that's the target 
audience), or is it something for your own amusement, or .... ?

> I thought people would read the text about understand the situation.
> Silly me.

I'm having a very difficult time identifying who the target audience is 
for the image from your description - I read the text at least 3 times 
and I have to admit I'm still quite baffled about who this is intended 
for.

You've said "from the group", which to me, as a reader of this newsgroup, 
says "I'm looking for feedback from the readers of this newsgroup".  
Perhaps that's the confusion here.  It would appear I'm not alone in that 
confusion.

> Defensive is not an accurate description of my reply to indecent remarks
> There is nothing to defend. I'll meet each individually and treat them
> with just deserts as I see fit, as it should be.

Sorry, I didn't really see anything "indecent" about any of the feedback 
that was given - Greg thought you meant a "splash" for a website (since 
that's probably his area of expertise) and provided commentary about web 
design.  Mike asked who the audience was for this image, and you said "no 
audience", which I have to admit confused me greatly - clearly you have a 
target audience in mind for a "splash screen" of some sort, which is for 
more than just your own amusement/amazement.  I thought Mike asked some 
pretty valid questions there.  His last question - "What did I miss?" 
should sum up that in his mind, it's not clear what you intended this to 
be used for.

I could see, for example, this image being used as a splash screen for 
ISOBoot, which only supports 256 colours on some systems (at least the 
last time I played with it it did, as I remember having to downsample the 
images I used with it as well).  If that's the case, then the feedback 
would be different than if it was intended for a system that's capable of 
running 24-bit colour.

Does that make sense?

Jim

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For those as confused as I am, this image seems to be a follow on from the 
image thread started by AQ in this NG a month ago - 3 Nov.
There were better images of the same scene then, but the current image may 
be constrained by the obscure requirements of the end user / customer / 
target audience. This makes for a fascinating study of design process in a 
group.

DLM

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"dlm" <me### [at] addressinvalid> wrote:
> For those as confused as I am, this image seems to be a follow on from the
> image thread started by AQ in this NG a month ago - 3 Nov.
> There were better images of the same scene then, but the current image may
> be constrained by the obscure requirements of the end user / customer /
> target audience. This makes for a fascinating study of design process in a
> group.
>
> DLM

I give up.
not working together,
project will go incomplete for that.
seems more like a contest around here.

Later

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On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:16:16 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> I give up.
> not working together,
> project will go incomplete for that.
> seems more like a contest around here.

This is what I was talking about with "being defensive", AQ.

We're trying to understand who (if not the readers of this group) this 
image was created for or what the intention was.

If your intention was to get kudos for creating a nice image, well, then, 
kudos for a nice image.  I for one like the concept (honestly).

If your intention was to get feedback on the image, then there's plenty 
of useful feedback here, but there's been a LOT of confusion about what 
this is for.

We just can't figure out what you are looking for here, and you're not 
making it any easier by just giving up or not giving us information that 
would be useful in understanding your intended use.

I'm very sorry, but you're not making it easier for anyone to give you 
what you're looking for.

Jim

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