bob@127.0.0.1 nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/09/20 16:02:
> On 2007-09-20, scam <sca### [at] mailusydeduau> wrote:
>> Just working on some glowing buttons for a web page.
>>
> 	Ooooo, Pretty!  :)
> 
>> And since I have your attention, anyone seen any web pages where the entire
>> page (buttons, menus, background) has been generated in a ray tracer and
>> then combined with html? Not sure if it's a good idea or not.
>>
> 	Bad idea because it means heinous load times ... unless you've got 
> cable or are browsing the web from work.
> 
Not realy.
The background should be keep relatively simple with relatively low contrast, 
thi lead to a beter compression when using PNG or JPG. It can even be an 
animated GIF or MNG, keep the animation very sober and simple ;)
Re-use your elements as much as possible: if a simgle element is shown 10 times, 
it's only loaded once.
Place all your graphics and CSS sheets together, in the same folder exept for 
those that only show on a single page. For any given image that show on more 
than one page, if it was loaded in a previous page, it will be reloaded from the 
cache, not the server. This will save you storage space and bandwidth, while 
making your site easier and faster to maintain and navigate.
Don't use Front Page, it will place a copy of every image and CSS sheets in 
every page's folder, forcing them to reload from the server for every page 
visited, wasting space, precious bandwidth and visitors time.

-- 
Alain
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You know you've been raytracing too long when a co-worker nearly kills himself 
over losing an hour's worth of work after a computer crash, and you just calmly 
shrug your shoulders and say, "Is that all?"
Taps a.k.a. Tapio Vocadlo

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Johan Feyaerts nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/09/22 14:30:
> "scam" <sca### [at] mailusydeduau> wrote in message 
> news:web.46f1bb82a11a1f5897f1740@news.povray.org...
>> Just working on some glowing buttons for a web page.
>>
>> And since I have your attention, anyone seen any web pages where the 
>> entire
>> page (buttons, menus, background) has been generated in a ray tracer and
>> then combined with html? Not sure if it's a good idea or not.
>>
> I made alle the buttons and images on my band's website with povray
> http://www.norequest.be/
> I think it's a good idea ;-)
> (There is an issue with explorer 7 but that has nothing to do with pov but 
> with dreamweaver. Need to resolve that, haven't found the exact reason yet 
> why ie7 doesn't display the tables well.
> Judge for youself
> 
> 
I get a strange effect that I never noticed elswhere:
When I increase the font's size, the buttons on the left get spaced tighter 
together, and drift apart verticali when I reduce the fonts.
Using Firefox.

-- 
Alain
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Anyone can do any amount of work provided it isn’t the work he/she is supposed 
to be doing.

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> I get a strange effect that I never noticed elswhere:
> When I increase the font's size, the buttons on the left get spaced 
> tighter together, and drift apart verticali when I reduce the fonts.
> Using Firefox.
mmm indeed , ie 6 also does that, quite strange.
Made the website with dreamweaver. Don't know why it does that. Its a 
standard dreamweaver navigation bar.
Internet explorer 7 does even more strange things. It puts the block  on top 
of which the buttons are positioned in the top left corner instead of below 
the header.
I used tables to make the layout of the website pages, which probably was 
not  really the best choice. Don't have any idea why ie 7 displays this in a 
different way than ie 6.



> -- 
> Alain
> -------------------------------------------------
> Anyone can do any amount of work provided it isn't the work he/she is 
> supposed to be doing.

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Johan Feyaerts wrote:
>>I get a strange effect that I never noticed elswhere:
>>When I increase the font's size, the buttons on the left get spaced 
>>tighter together, and drift apart verticali when I reduce the fonts.
>>Using Firefox.
> 
> mmm indeed , ie 6 also does that, quite strange.
> Made the website with dreamweaver. Don't know why it does that. Its a 
> standard dreamweaver navigation bar.
> Internet explorer 7 does even more strange things. It puts the block  on top 
> of which the buttons are positioned in the top left corner instead of below 
> the header.
> I used tables to make the layout of the website pages, which probably was 
> not  really the best choice. Don't have any idea why ie 7 displays this in a 
> different way than ie 6.
> 
It's Microsoft's usual arrogant attitude that they're too big to bother 
with following published standards, they think everybody should follow 
them instead.  They think they have to be unique -- if they're forced to 
follow standards, they'll have to actually _compete_ with others.  MSIE, 
up through version 6 definitely didn't follow W3C standard HTML/CSS 
definitions.  With version 7 they finally condescended to make it more 
standard -- it's closer, but still not there yet.

There's plenty of info on the web and in HTML books to show the 
work-arounds and kludges needed for MSIE.

(FWIW, I always use Firefox.)     :-)    Also, I don't write web pages. 
  I occasionally write some simple-minded HTML documents for my own use, 
but they stay on my own computer and not on the web, so I don't have to 
worry about the deficiencies of IE.

      -=- Larry -=-

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"Johan Feyaerts" <joh### [at] nospamhotmailcom> wrote:
>
> I made alle the buttons and images on my band's website with povray
> http://www.norequest.be/
> I think it's a good idea ;-)
>...

Nice buttons mate, the two states work well and look great to boot.

Wijnand Nijs <w.n### [at] alf4alldemonnl> wrote:
>
> See:
>
> http://alf4all.demon.nl/frames/index.htm
>
> When I have a litle time, there must be a new design with the same idee.
> Any recommandations are welcom.
>
> Wijnand Nijs

Hmm color scheme is a little dull for my tastes, but you definitely have a
unique looking site there.

To add to my what I said in the first post, what I was thinking about was
giving a site a look that could only be achieved using raytracing. In both
the above examples I think the elements generated in POVRay could equally
have been cooked up in Photoshop or something similar.

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> To add to my what I said in the first post, what I was thinking about was
> giving a site a look that could only be achieved using raytracing. In both
> the above examples I think the elements generated in POVRay could equally
> have been cooked up in Photoshop or something similar.

Don't think I could have made the animated gif  band logo's with photoshop, 
while it's a piece of cake with pov. Neither the buttons.
Achieving the same level of detail would be far beyond my photoshop 
knowledge. Pov gives you just that extra degree of control and the ability 
to produce something good looking even if you're not an expert graphics 
designer.
The header and side blocks were made with HDRI, not so easy to do in 
photoshop either I think.
Actually the only thing I used photoshop for is to make the background band 
logo image of the pages. I started from a greay image rendered with pov and 
then made a seamless tile of it and changed the color scheme of it with 
Photoshop.
The buttons were rendered with pov on hi res and then rescaled to the right 
size for the web page with irfanview.
>
>

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"Johan Feyaerts" <joh### [at] nospamhotmailcom> wrote:
>
> Don't think I could have made the animated gif  band logo's with photoshop,
> while it's a piece of cake with pov. Neither the buttons.
> Achieving the same level of detail would be far beyond my photoshop
> knowledge. Pov gives you just that extra degree of control and the ability
> to produce something good looking even if you're not an expert graphics
> designer.
> The header and side blocks were made with HDRI, not so easy to do in
> photoshop either I think.
> Actually the only thing I used photoshop for is to make the background band
> logo image of the pages. I started from a greay image rendered with pov and
> then made a seamless tile of it and changed the color scheme of it with
> Photoshop.
> The buttons were rendered with pov on hi res and then rescaled to the right
> size for the web page with irfanview.
> >
> >

I didn't mean my statement to be criticism of your site, I like the POVRay
elements (particularly the buttons)! And I do agree that POVRay is probably
more flexible overall since you can easily do things that you could only
ever fake in Photoshop/Gimp. Still though, without knowing you'd made those
elements in POVRay I probably wouldn't have guessed a raytracer was used.
Anyway I'm working on something at the moment which will hopefully make it
clearer what I'm trying to get across.

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I've posted the code for my website buttons in scene files group for those 
interested in it.
Feel inspired. A povray website button generator would be a cool sourceforge 
project...

"scam" <sca### [at] mailusydeduau> wrote in message 
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> Just working on some glowing buttons for a web page.
>
> And since I have your attention, anyone seen any web pages where the 
> entire
> page (buttons, menus, background) has been generated in a ray tracer and
> then combined with html? Not sure if it's a good idea or not.
>

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"scam" <sca### [at] mailusydeduau> wrote in message
news:web.46f1bb82a11a1f5897f1740@news.povray.org...
> Just working on some glowing buttons for a web page.
>
> And since I have your attention, anyone seen any web pages where the
entire
> page (buttons, menus, background) has been generated in a ray tracer and
> then combined with html? Not sure if it's a good idea or not.
>

Yes, mine. Site is old and is getting redone, slowly.

http://gail.rucus.net/

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