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"Cousin Ricky" <ric### [at] yahoo com> wrote:
> 2. This is almost certainly a white European male, which your model
> obviously is not. This same illustration appears in a more ancient edition
> of Gray's _Anatomy_, one which refers to African skulls as "degraded."
> Presumably, Dr. Gray would illustrate using a skull with presumably
> "normal" phrenology. (This is not to put down Dr. Gray; in his time,
> science had yet to discover that race is imaginary.)
extreme. True armchair anthropologists said some hurtful and damaging
things. But to deny that humans are different and these differences are
inherited does not seem like living in the real world.
Stephen
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Stephen wrote:
Genetics is real. Race is imaginary. Or rather arbitrary. Why is nose
shape important and not finger shape? Skin color and not eye color?
> But to deny that humans are different and these differences are
> inherited does not seem like living in the real world.
The differences in genetics between a man and a woman is bigger than the
differences in genetics between a man and a male chimpanze.
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Darren New nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 06/10/2006 13:11:
> Stephen wrote:
>
> Genetics is real. Race is imaginary. Or rather arbitrary. Why is nose
> shape important and not finger shape? Skin color and not eye color?
>
>> But to deny that humans are different and these differences are
>> inherited does not seem like living in the real world.
>
> The differences in genetics between a man and a woman is bigger than the
> differences in genetics between a man and a male chimpanze.
It's, indeed, prety small. Only 4 bits of chromosomes switched diferensiate
human and chimpanze.
One, relatively large, bit of one chromozome is reversed between human and gorilla.
And only 1 small chromosome bit differ between human and oranghoutan. 2 segment
have ther positions inverted in one chromosome.
Looking at that, one can think that all 4 species can interbreed. Note that
there are NO deffinite proof that they can't.
--
Alain
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Don't try so hard, the best things come when you least expect them to.
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:11:28 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>
>Genetics is real. Race is imaginary.
Numbers are imaginary but we still use them.
>Or rather arbitrary. Why is nose
>shape important and not finger shape? Skin color and not eye color?
I did not say race was important. Just because lots of people were
oppressed, enslaved, murdered, and generally had bad things done to
them, does not mean that it won't happen again if we deny that there
are different races. And finger shape is important but the bumps on
your head aren't. IMO.
>> But to deny that humans are different and these differences are
>> inherited does not seem like living in the real world.
>
>The differences in genetics between a man and a woman is bigger than the
>differences in genetics between a man and a male chimpanze.
Don't tell me you can't differentiate between a Han Chinese and a
Kelt.
Regards
Stephen
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"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht
news:c0fhi25nljql3or2tjp4smh8j0ldle45ho@4ax.com...
>
> Don't tell me you can't differentiate between a Han Chinese and a
> Kelt.
>
If I remember well, genetically you can't, strictly speaking. There was
something about outside physical characters being switched on or off? but
within the same genetic content...
Oh dear! I shall have to find that paper somewhere. I thought it was in
Science or Nature some years ago....
Thomas
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:22:47 +0200, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet>
wrote:
>
>"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht
>news:c0fhi25nljql3or2tjp4smh8j0ldle45ho@4ax.com...
>>
>> Don't tell me you can't differentiate between a Han Chinese and a
>> Kelt.
>>
>
>If I remember well, genetically you can't, strictly speaking. There was
>something about outside physical characters being switched on or off? but
>within the same genetic content...
>Oh dear! I shall have to find that paper somewhere. I thought it was in
>Science or Nature some years ago....
>
I don't really want to get bogged down using facts :-)
If I understand you, you are saying that using scientific methods you cannot
tell what ethnic group someone belongs to. Well blow me down! What a strange
world.
Regards
Stephen
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In article <2ucii291j88l9934ha4k49i0rbvglg81qb@4ax.com>, Stephen
<mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> says...
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:22:47 +0200, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internl.
net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht
> >news:c0fhi25nljql3or2tjp4smh8j0ldle45ho@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> Don't tell me you can't differentiate between a Han Chinese and a
> >> Kelt.
> >>
> >
> >If I remember well, genetically you can't, strictly speaking. There was
> >something about outside physical characters being switched on or off? bu
t
> >within the same genetic content...
> >Oh dear! I shall have to find that paper somewhere. I thought it was in
> >Science or Nature some years ago....
> >
>
>
> I don't really want to get bogged down using facts :-)
> If I understand you, you are saying that using scientific methods you can
not
> tell what ethnic group someone belongs to. Well blow me down! What a stra
nge
> world.
>
Well, at least "not yet". There might be some common markers, but that
only tells you something if "only" that group has them, which in this
day and age isn't so certain. Hmm. Think of it like this, you have
10,000,000 lines of code and a 500 character file that is loaded with
binary 1s and 0s, which tell all that code when to turn some things on
or off, but if A is on for X time, then B needs to be told to only be
one Y time, or you get C, which is effected by the same timing as D and
E, which, depending on their timing throw off the function, and length
of time, that F and G happen, etc.
We only know what "some" of the genes specific to such timing actually
are, its fuzzy on what some do during developmental stages we can't take
apart or watch as easilly, like fetal development, and even the
difference between a human and a chimp amounts to a few promoter genes
than determine when development shuts on and off (this is "literally"
the only difference in our brains, which are otherwise genetically
identical), and the fact that at some point a single sequence of genes
where miscopied, to produce two chromosomes, instead of the original
one. If the later where not true, it would get a great deal harder to
identify if you where dealing with an escapee from a zoo or a human,
based solely on a few drops of blood. Though, there are other more
obvious genetic differences too. However, according to one article I
read, if you sequenced every human on the planet, then divided them up
based on amount of difference in their genes, the difference between the
two most extreme ends would be "greater" than the difference between a
human and a chimp. Not sure if that true or not, but it might be.
Its a very complicated mess of interconnected effects, of which we are
barely scratching the surface. Its like studying erosion, and being
"sure" that all the answers in geology are now available, only to be
suddenly confronted with plate tectonics. Though, the analogy is only
true for the clowns that now want to deny most biology entirely, because
actually trying to figure out anything in evo-devo is impossible when
you still don't comprehend something as basic as cell division. lol
--
void main () {
call functional_code()
else
call crash_windows();
}
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"Smws" <smw### [at] poboxcom> wrote:
> After a couple of false starts, I have made my first decent head model in
> Wings3d. Now I want to give it a good but simple texture. I have had
> difficulty especially with the eyes. Right now they are modelled as one
> piece, with a "bump" for the iris and lens and a hole for the pupil. I
> think I will have to model a lens, is this what is usually done? I'm not
> looking for photorealism, just sort of real-ish from 20 feet or something
> :)
>
> Will I have to resort to making a uv-map for the different flesh tones? Is
> there a place I can find some to look at? I don't know how to remove
> shadows from an image to get the diffuse pigment from a face.
>
> I'm also at a loss on the "whites" of the eyes. They either look glowing or
> plastic when I fiddle with the texture.
>
> Also feedback about the modelling/proportions would be great.
>
> If there's interest I can post the mesh for others to play around with, it
> would be cc-attrib-share-alike.
I'm interested in the mesh. And do you have other human meshes?
And the model you posted might fit with this photo I'm posting.. Are you
interested in news media exposure? She's a news reporter, and if you are
successful, you might get her interest...
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"EagleSun" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "Smws" <smw### [at] poboxcom> wrote:
>> (...)
> I'm interested in the mesh. And do you have other human meshes?
>
> And the model you posted might fit with this photo I'm posting.. Are you
> interested in news media exposure? She's a news reporter, and if you are
> successful, you might get her interest...
Well, as I said, this is my first decent model, so I have no other meshes. I
don't understand what you mean about news media exposure or success, or how
this exercise might catch her interest. Could you elaborate?
The scene file and mesh have been posted in p.b.scene-files. See
http://news.povray.org/web.452e8b262b1cbdd5da53d9e40%40news.povray.org
and the following message. Enjoy!
-Stefan
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"Smws" <smw### [at] poboxcom> wrote:
> Well, as I said, this is my first decent model, so I have no other meshes. I
> don't understand what you mean about news media exposure or success, or how
> this exercise might catch her interest. Could you elaborate?
All I mean is.. that if you took a photo of someone and wrap it around your
model, to make it look like a real person, you are going to catch that
person's interest. And the picture I showed you is a picture of a news
reporter. That's all.
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