>Paolo Gibellini  on date 03/10/2013 12.12 wrote:
>  >Thomas de Groot  on date 03/10/2013 10.30 wrote:
>> That the weather in Gancaloon is not always warm and sunny is proven by
>> this first wip.
>>
>> I used Jaime's rain macro of course. Thanks Jaime! The foreground now
>> needs the wet look and the rain splashes expected there. And some
>> figures of course. Lightning in the distance too.
>>
>> I got my inspiration from this art for Game of Thrones:
>> http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GOT_dothrak.jpeg
>>
>> Thomas
Btw, a great image.
It's a flag the object fluttering over the tower?
Paolo

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> That the weather in Gancaloon is not always warm and sunny is proven by
> this first wip.
>
> I used Jaime's rain macro of course. Thanks Jaime! The foreground now
> needs the wet look and the rain splashes expected there. And some
> figures of course. Lightning in the distance too.
>
> I got my inspiration from this art for Game of Thrones:
> http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GOT_dothrak.jpeg
>

It reminds me of home.
Drookit in Gancaloon ;-)

You have the atmosphere just right.

Stephen

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On 3-10-2013 12:30, Stephen wrote:
> It reminds me of home.
> Drookit in Gancaloon ;-)

Brr... I hate that weather.

Great to learn new words, btw ;-)

>
> You have the atmosphere just right.

Thanks, Stephen. Most praise for Jaime who developed the rain macros. In 
the next wip I hope to have the splattering drops on the ground.


Thomas

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On 3-10-2013 12:14, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
> Btw, a great image.
> It's a flag the object fluttering over the tower?

Thanks Paolo. Yes, it is the flag of the Satrap, the so-called Fafanar, 
showing a dragon on a red-and-black stripped field.

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 3-10-2013 12:30, Stephen wrote:
> > It reminds me of home.
> > Drookit in Gancaloon ;-)
>
> Brr... I hate that weather.
>
> Great to learn new words, btw ;-)
>
> >
> > You have the atmosphere just right.
>
> Thanks, Stephen. Most praise for Jaime who developed the rain macros. In
> the next wip I hope to have the splattering drops on the ground.
>
>
> Thomas

Yes, the athmosphere is very well met. I propose to make the rain streaks
thinner and shorter, have more of them and have less variation in the
directions. As it is in the picture inspiring you, or in photographs.

After having rendered Jaime's example scene some years ago, I often wondered
about this issue, since I cannot observe this streaks in reality. I see only
falling drops (or very short streaks). As I understand it, the streaks one sees
in photographs are only due to motion blur not visible to the eye (at least not
at such an extend). But we are used to look at photographs and accept this
deviation. So it is a issue of photorealism to model it. Even if we will not
notice the effect in reality. In a way one can compare it with the DoF-issue.

Best regards,
Michael

BTW: The community who understands the word Drookit without having to look it up
at the Oxford dictionary is much smaller than the Dutch speaking one;-) But it
is ever interesting to learn how much the Scotch language differs from English.

BTW2: The entry for McAvoy is missing at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tartans

but can be found at:

http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> That the weather in Gancaloon is not always warm and sunny is proven by
> this first wip.
>
> I used Jaime's rain macro of course. Thanks Jaime! The foreground now
> needs the wet look and the rain splashes expected there. And some
> figures of course. Lightning in the distance too.
>
> I got my inspiration from this art for Game of Thrones:
> http://aidanmoher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/GOT_dothrak.jpeg
>
> Thomas

A great start, the atmosphere looks good but as you say more detail needed in
the foreground.

Not sure what impact it would have if changed but to me there seems to be
something odd in the rain drops. I would expect them all to be falling in the
same direction (or very nearly the same one) there seem to be a few random drops
that are doing their own thing. (mostly in the bottom right of the image). I
have not looked at Jaimes macro so do not know if this can be changed easily,
still they do look pretty good though.

It would be good if you could see the stream in the foreground a bit more (I
cannot think of a better use for a high frequency ripples normal). If you have
one already it does not show up due to the fog/atmosphere.

Look forward to seeing future versions of this scene.

Sean

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On 3-10-2013 18:10, MichaelJF wrote:
>
> Yes, the athmosphere is very well met. I propose to make the rain streaks
> thinner and shorter, have more of them and have less variation in the
> directions. As it is in the picture inspiring you, or in photographs.

I agree. I have not been too happy with the random directions the 
falling drops take. However, this is easy to remedy as it just is a 
rand() parameter in Jaimes's macro. There are already 400000 drops but I 
shall double them yet again and make them thinner/shorter too.

>
> After having rendered Jaime's example scene some years ago, I often wondered
> about this issue, since I cannot observe this streaks in reality. I see only
> falling drops (or very short streaks). As I understand it, the streaks one sees
> in photographs are only due to motion blur not visible to the eye (at least not
> at such an extend). But we are used to look at photographs and accept this
> deviation. So it is a issue of photorealism to model it. Even if we will not
> notice the effect in reality. In a way one can compare it with the DoF-issue.

Indeed.

> BTW: The community who understands the word Drookit without having to look it up
> at the Oxford dictionary is much smaller than the Dutch speaking one;-) But it
> is ever interesting to learn how much the Scotch language differs from English.

LOL. Personally, I am a great fan of languages (any languages).

>
> BTW2: The entry for McAvoy is missing at
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tartans
>
> but can be found at:
>
> http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/

Thank you sir, I filed this info ;-)

Thomas

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On 4-10-2013 7:34, s.day wrote:
>
> A great start, the atmosphere looks good but as you say more detail needed in
> the foreground.
>
> Not sure what impact it would have if changed but to me there seems to be
> something odd in the rain drops. I would expect them all to be falling in the
> same direction (or very nearly the same one) there seem to be a few random drops
> that are doing their own thing. (mostly in the bottom right of the image). I
> have not looked at Jaimes macro so do not know if this can be changed easily,
> still they do look pretty good though.

It is just an random parameter added to the falling angle.

>
> It would be good if you could see the stream in the foreground a bit more (I
> cannot think of a better use for a high frequency ripples normal). If you have
> one already it does not show up due to the fog/atmosphere.

Hm. It is a normal indeed.

>
> Look forward to seeing future versions of this scene.

You will most surely :-)

Thomas

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Some changes:

1) To the rain macro: replacing the *rand() of the rain angle by 
+RRand() with a total variation of 2 degrees max.

2) To the rain macro: adding a file-saving utility for rain drop 
parameters. The reading of such a file is much faster than complete 
processing each time.

3) To the rain macro: replaced the csg raindrop cylinder by a mesh2 
tapering cylinder.

4) 800k raindrops and slight down-scaling. The problem with down-scaling 
is that the drops become invisible, so increasing the number of drops 
does not change the final view much. A possible solution could be to 
slightly increase the size of the drops with distance from the camera 
but that might become weird. I shall investigate.

5) To the (ground) mist faking visibility loss has been added turbulence.

6) Specular and reflection added to the rock surfaces and road. /Not/ to 
the grass btw.

Thomas

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"MichaelJF" <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:

>
> BTW: The community who understands the word Drookit without having to look it up
> at the Oxford dictionary is much smaller than the Dutch speaking one;-) But it
> is ever interesting to learn how much the Scotch language differs from English.
>

I'll drop the odd word in, now and again. Not too often because I don't want to
scunner ye. ;-)


The Scots I speak is Ulster Scots. Also spoken in County Ulster, but they speak
it funny.

> BTW2: The entry for McAvoy is missing at
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tartans
>

It is not missing, it is not there. McAvoy is an Irish name and the Irish don't
really use tartans (unless it is to sell, "a little bit o' Ireland", to
Americans. ;-) )


> but can be found at:
>
> http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/

That is personal tartan. Anyone can register a design.
Again it is a way to sell "a wee bit o' Scotland" to whoever wants to prove his
connections. Big business now compared to when it started. Walter Scott (the
author) started a trend in England and Europe. Where Scotland was considered
"Romantic". Queen Victoria built a castle there and everyone who was anyone had
to have a link. So the clever burgers of Edinburgh, created a business model.

The family or clan tartans, would be worn by whoever liked the colours,
especially if you were rich and had a kilt for every day of the week.

But don't tell anyone I told you. :-)

Stephen

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