On 15-5-2013 20:34, Shay wrote:
> I can't be the first one to ask if you've seen "Marwencol." Just in case, I'd
> strongly suggest watching it if you haven't.

You are indeed the first to mention Marwencol, Shay, and I had not been 
aware of it until now. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Fascinating 
stuff. Very familiar.

I can readily appreciate the similarities in purpose, although no brain 
damage in my case - as far as I know ;-) but the compulsion to create 
one's own world is there and I have felt it strongly my whole life.

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote in message 
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>
> I can readily appreciate the similarities in purpose, although no brain 
> damage in my case - as far as I know ;-)

Ha!

I had no intention to imply /THAT/ similarity. What you might not have 
gotten from the (I guess you watched it) trailer is that Mark is very 
talented in addition to being a little "off". "Pictures of dolls" is a 
semi-popular and dishwater-dull contemporary-art genre (at least in 
Houston), but Mark is a gifted photographer and able to make it interesting.

 -Shay

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On 16-5-2013 11:50, Shay wrote:
> I had no intention to imply /THAT/ similarity. What you might not have
> gotten from the (I guess you watched it) trailer is that Mark is very
> talented in addition to being a little "off". "Pictures of dolls" is a
> semi-popular and dishwater-dull contemporary-art genre (at least in
> Houston), but Mark is a gifted photographer and able to make it
> interesting.

The trailer is not enough for a correct appreciation, but stills from 
his work give a good idea of his talent. I know how difficult it is to 
do this kind of photographic work well /and/ make it interesting, having 
explored the same premisses a bit way back in the seventies. Mark is 
very talented indeed. I shall have to dig a bit further into his work. I 
find it quite fascinating.

Thomas

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Hi(gh)!

On 16.05.2013 09:27, Thomas de Groot wrote:

> I can readily appreciate the similarities in purpose, although no brain
> damage in my case - as far as I know ;-) but the compulsion to create
> one's own world is there and I have felt it strongly my whole life.

Same with me... it started quite early in my childhood days - anybody 

saw him drawing colorful topographic maps of imaginary places... back 

world populated by immortal, hyper-intelligent children but also at 
constant war with a Darth Vader-like oppressor...

Unfortunately, none of these countless maps (there were physical as well 
as thematic maps, also city maps) survived until today, as my parents 
back then were quite uneasy about my vivid imagination, so they threw 
away all those maps I had drawn between 1977 and 1983.

At 21, a fellow student who studied linguistics and started a 
collaborative Tolkien-ish fantasy project, inspired me to re-create M 
720 (now to be called "Ilthanalg" - "planet of the Sacred Number") and 
even to develop an own language for its people; so I drew several global 
maps (physical, political, temperatures, precipitation and vegetation.

I scanned those maps when my computer equipment became sophisticated 
enough during the 1990s... but then lost them all to a catastrophic 
Windows crash. But nevertheless, I think I'm still able to re-draw them 
from memory... and I also have written a lengthy introduction to 
Ilthanalg, currently only in German, but I hope to get it translated in 
the not-too-distant future.

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

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> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 16.05.2013 09:27, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> I can readily appreciate the similarities in purpose, although no brain
>> damage in my case - as far as I know ;-) but the compulsion to create
>> one's own world is there and I have felt it strongly my whole life.
>
> Same with me... it started quite early in my childhood days - anybody

> saw him drawing colorful topographic maps of imaginary places... back

> world populated by immortal, hyper-intelligent children but also at
> constant war with a Darth Vader-like oppressor...

Yes, I can imagine that. I was less map-oriented though ;-)

>
> Unfortunately, none of these countless maps (there were physical as well
> as thematic maps, also city maps) survived until today, as my parents
> back then were quite uneasy about my vivid imagination, so they threw
> away all those maps I had drawn between 1977 and 1983.

Oh, that's sad indeed.

>
> At 21, a fellow student who studied linguistics and started a
> collaborative Tolkien-ish fantasy project, inspired me to re-create M
> 720 (now to be called "Ilthanalg" - "planet of the Sacred Number") and
> even to develop an own language for its people; so I drew several global
> maps (physical, political, temperatures, precipitation and vegetation.
>
> I scanned those maps when my computer equipment became sophisticated
> enough during the 1990s... but then lost them all to a catastrophic
> Windows crash. But nevertheless, I think I'm still able to re-draw them
> from memory... and I also have written a lengthy introduction to
> Ilthanalg, currently only in German, but I hope to get it translated in
> the not-too-distant future.

Nothing like memory and imagination. Although with POV-Ray I really 
approximate what I see in my mind, still the mind vistas are grander. 
Smells, noises, variations of shades, throngs of people...

Thomas

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<yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:

> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 16.05.2013 09:27, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> I can readily appreciate the similarities in purpose, although no bra
in
>> damage in my case - as far as I know ;-) but the compulsion to create

>> one's own world is there and I have felt it strongly my whole life.
>
> Same with me... it started quite early in my childhood days - anybody 
 


soon  

> saw him drawing colorful topographic maps of imaginary places... back 
 


  

> world populated by immortal, hyper-intelligent children but also at  

> constant war with a Darth Vader-like oppressor...
>
> Unfortunately, none of these countless maps (there were physical as we
ll  

> as thematic maps, also city maps) survived until today, as my parents 
 

> back then were quite uneasy about my vivid imagination, so they threw 
 

> away all those maps I had drawn between 1977 and 1983.
>
> At 21, a fellow student who studied linguistics and started a  

> collaborative Tolkien-ish fantasy project, inspired me to re-create M 
 

> 720 (now to be called "Ilthanalg" - "planet of the Sacred Number") and
  

> even to develop an own language for its people; so I drew several glob
al  

> maps (physical, political, temperatures, precipitation and vegetation.

>
> I scanned those maps when my computer equipment became sophisticated  

> enough during the 1990s... but then lost them all to a catastrophic  

> Windows crash. But nevertheless, I think I'm still able to re-draw the
m  

> from memory... and I also have written a lengthy introduction to  

> Ilthanalg, currently only in German, but I hope to get it translated i
n  

> the not-too-distant future.
>
> See you in Khyberspace!
>
> Yadgar
>

I find this very inspiring. Makes me want to continue working on my  

BueHaria Binary planets :)

-- 

-Nekar Xenos-

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Hi(gh)!

On 27.05.2013 20:15, Nekar Xenos wrote:

> I find this very inspiring. Makes me want to continue working on my
> BueHaria Binary planets :)

BueHaria Binary planets? Sounds interesting... are they co-orbital or in 
fact a binary system like Pluto and Charon? Would you tell us more about 
them?

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

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<yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:

> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 27.05.2013 20:15, Nekar Xenos wrote:
>
>> I find this very inspiring. Makes me want to continue working on my
>> BueHaria Binary planets :)
>
> BueHaria Binary planets? Sounds interesting... are they co-orbital or 
in  

> fact a binary system like Pluto and Charon? Would you tell us more abo
ut  

> them?
>
> See you in Khyberspace!
>
> Yadgar
>

I started making up this world when I first heard of binary stars and  

planets in High-school. I think it must have been something I read in  

Scientific American that triggered the idea. Somewhere there was mention
  

that the Earth and the moon could almost be a binary planet system. So  

yes, like Pluto and Charon. Bueharia is a binary planet system consistin
g  

of the planets Bu and Har.

Bue is a beautiful blue planet where plants have blue leaves (I think th
is  

would require a method other than photosynthesis, but I don't know enoug
h  

about biology to come up with an idea for that). Also there is lots of  

gold in the soil, so walking on a golden beach would be nothing unnatura
l.  

Most animals would have 6 limbs of which 2 are normally wings. The  

intelligent beings (Aliel) would have seven slender fingers of which 2 a
re  

thumbs, 1 on each side of the hand. There are different races with skin 
 

and hair colours ranging from cyan - blue - magenta - gold. (One could f
or  

instance have blue skin and gold hair). Normally they weave their own ha
ir  

into clothes - without cutting it, so their hair would be one with their
  

clothes. The story would start in the forest age of Bue (Similar to our 
 

stone age) where everyone lives in trees. These trees grow a natural  

man-sized nest on each branch, so a new couple would search for a small 
 

tree and plan their family according to when new nests have grown. The  

atmosphere would be very thick to allow large animals to fly and  

Pegasus-like creatures abound.

Har on the other hand is very much like a prison planet and used as one 
 

later on. There is a lot of volcanic activity and the only water comes  

 from geysers. You can never see the horizon because of all the smoke. A
ny  

hair or feathers would be singed off because of the heat, so most life o
n  

this planet is reptilian. War is the norm and thus there is very little 
 

life on this planet.

-- 

-Nekar Xenos-

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"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Bue is a beautiful blue planet where plants have blue leaves (I think th
> is
>
> would require a method other than photosynthesis, but I don't know enoug
> h
>
> about biology to come up with an idea for that).

Some animals right here on Earth use copper as a base for their oxygen-bearing
protein instead of iron, resulting in blue blood; so I can easily imagine a
photosynthesis that uses a catalyst other than magnesium-based chlorophyll.
Actually, Wikipedia does mention some other photosynthetic pigments, such as
carotenes and xanthophylls, so dream away!

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I love this! A great setting for when intelligent life starts space 
travel... This reminds me of the good old SF days when space travel and 
alien worlds were the norm. Too much Fantasy nowadays... :-(

Thomas

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