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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 28 Mar 2011 02:58:25
Message: <4d903191@news.povray.org>
"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> schreef in bericht 
news:op.vs0ao1i0ufxv4h@xena...
> I'm sure this will be corrected if you remove the spherical media at the 
> lights and use the method I described earlier in conjunction with 
> spotlights.

And get better halos? Remind me where you described this, I seem to have 
forgotten... :-(

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 28 Mar 2011 03:07:43
Message: <4d9033bf$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> schreef in bericht 
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Yes, I can undestand that. The present street is not in the center of town 
but probably more on the periphery. Interestingly, while the overall aspect 
is rather downtrod, there still is a lawyer's office here: did you see the 
telltale oval shield above the entrance at right? I found that an 
interesting idea when I discovered (and remembered) what it represented 
exactly.

> Great idea but I think it should be less subtle. Why not bring Cathy 
> nearer the camera?

Yes, I probably should.

>
> Thanks, Now I will have to cut some more paper.
> I do like the idea of shared universes.

I agree. Looking forward to it :-)

Thomas


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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 28 Mar 2011 10:56:19
Message: <op.vs16fxtjufxv4h@go-dynamite>
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:58:26 +0200, Thomas de Groot  
<tDOTdegroot@interdotnlanotherdotnet> wrote:

>
> "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> schreef in bericht
> news:op.vs0ao1i0ufxv4h@xena...
>> I'm sure this will be corrected if you remove the spherical media at the
>> lights and use the method I described earlier in conjunction with
>> spotlights.
>
> And get better halos? Remind me where you described this, I seem to have
> forgotten... :-(
>

I think that if you remove your emissive halos and put spotlights there as  
well as the scattering media over the whole scene it should work.
Light attenuation and media interaction should also be enabled. This works  
for light shafts, so it should work for halos.

-- 
-Nekar Xenos-


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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 28 Mar 2011 12:47:22
Message: <op.vs2bk5qiufxv4h@xena>
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:58:26 +0200, Thomas de Groot  
<tDOTdegroot@interdotnlanotherdotnet> wrote:

>
> "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> schreef in bericht
> news:op.vs0ao1i0ufxv4h@xena...
>> I'm sure this will be corrected if you remove the spherical media at the
>> lights and use the method I described earlier in conjunction with
>> spotlights.
>
> And get better halos? Remind me where you described this, I seem to have
> forgotten... :-(
>
> Thomas
>
>

I played a bit with media1.pov to get the effect:

///////////////begin code////////////////////////

//	Persistence of Vision Raytracer Scene Description File
//	File: media1.pov
//	Author:
//	Description:
// Participating media environment with spotlights.
//
// -w320 -h240
// -w800 -h600 +a0.3
//
//*******************************************

#version 3.6;
global_settings {assumed_gamma 1.0}

//
// The camera.
//

camera {
   location <10, 6, -20>
   direction <0, 0, 1.5>
   look_at <0, 4, 0>
}

//
// Add media.
//

media {
   scattering { 1, rgb 0.03}
   intervals 1
   samples 5
   method 3
}

//
// Light source not interacting with the atmosphere.
//
/*
light_source { <0, 15, 0> color rgb 0.7
   media_interaction off
   shadowless
}    */

//
// Spotlight
//

#declare Intensity = 2;


light_source {
   <0, 9, -5> color rgb 2
   spotlight
   point_at <0, 5, 0>
   radius 45
   falloff 60
   tightness 1
   fade_distance 5
   fade_power 2
   media_attenuation on
}
//
// Room.
//

box { <-20, 0, -20>, <20, 20, 20>
   pigment { rgb 1 }
   finish { ambient 0.2 diffuse 0.5 }
   hollow
}

//////////End code///////////////////


-- 
-Nekar Xenos-


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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 28 Mar 2011 13:23:09
Message: <op.vs2c8so9ufxv4h@xena>
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:56:12 +0200, Thomas de Groot  
<tDOTdegroot@interdotnlanotherdotnet> wrote:

>> In the photo, the cobble stones are well worn and rounded. Your's looks  
>> as
>> if they are new and freshly layed.
>> Some are obviously brocken and are concave.
>> It also looks like some may be missing and the resulting hole filled  
>> with
>> gravel or sand.
>
> Yes indeed. This should be the next implementation of my macro... Not  
> sure
> however if I can get that finished for the TC-RTC deadline, but certainly
> worth the effort.
>

I posted the wall macro I used in my sunflower scene on  
povray.text.scene-files just in case you want to play around with it...

-- 
-Nekar Xenos-


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 28 Mar 2011 14:43:28
Message: <4d90d6d0$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/03/2011 8:06 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Stephen"<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom>  schreef in bericht
> news:4d8eeda4@news.povray.org...


>
> Yes, I can undestand that. The present street is not in the center of town
> but probably more on the periphery. Interestingly, while the overall aspect
> is rather downtrod, there still is a lawyer's office here: did you see the
> telltale oval shield above the entrance at right? I found that an
> interesting idea when I discovered (and remembered) what it represented
> exactly.
>

I saw the sign but did not realise the significance. I would have 
expected the three balls of a pawnbroker in this district. ;-)
I actually prefer your sky to that of the photograph.

>> Great idea but I think it should be less subtle. Why not bring Cathy
>> nearer the camera?
>
> Yes, I probably should.
>

But you might not. :-P

>>
>> Thanks, Now I will have to cut some more paper.
>> I do like the idea of shared universes.
>
> I agree. Looking forward to it :-)
>

There is not much to see at the moment as your image is not very 
contrast-y and doesn't show up well in the red light of the dark room. 
When I've added a sink I'll be able to have some prints up to dry.

What ever you do please don't change the aspect ratio as it took me all 
of Sunday morning to change the aspect ratio of the enlarger image and 
prints. I was having a blond day.

-- 
Regards
     Stephen


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 28 Mar 2011 15:01:59
Message: <4d90db27@news.povray.org>

> "Alain"<aze### [at] qwertyorg>  schreef in bericht
> news:4d8f7ecc$1@news.povray.org...
>> It's an old neibourhood. That street pavement is probably well over 70
>> years old, it have seen both WWI and WWII.
>
> Absolutely.
>
>>
>> In the photo, the cobble stones are well worn and rounded. Your's looks as
>> if they are new and freshly layed.
>> Some are obviously brocken and are concave.
>> It also looks like some may be missing and the resulting hole filled with
>> gravel or sand.
>
> Yes indeed. This should be the next implementation of my macro... Not sure
> however if I can get that finished for the TC-RTC deadline, but certainly
> worth the effort.
>
> Thomas
>
>

The first thing to do would be to alter the mesh used for the 
cobblestones for one that is more rounded. It may have a "broken" 
underside. You then can use a random stream to verticaly flip some of them.
Then, also with a random stream, "forget" some.




Alain


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 29 Mar 2011 03:04:20
Message: <4d918474$1@news.povray.org>
"Alain" <aze### [at] qwertyorg> schreef in bericht 
news:4d90db27@news.povray.org...
>
> The first thing to do would be to alter the mesh used for the cobblestones 
> for one that is more rounded. It may have a "broken" underside. You then 
> can use a random stream to verticaly flip some of them.
> Then, also with a random stream, "forget" some.

Yes, that is one of the implementations I had in mind indeed, even extended 
to 6 different faces. For the time being, I tweaked the surface representing 
the dirt between the stones a bit further and the effect is better now. And 
I put some more irregularities on the surface of the cobbles.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 29 Mar 2011 03:05:45
Message: <4d9184c9$1@news.povray.org>
"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> schreef in bericht 
news:op.vs2c8so9ufxv4h@xena...
>
> I posted the wall macro I used in my sunflower scene on 
> povray.text.scene-files just in case you want to play around with it...

Thank you. I shall certainly do that,

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Paris by night - 1951 - wip
Date: 29 Mar 2011 03:16:24
Message: <4d918748@news.povray.org>
I think we both mean the same thing :-)

As there is a lamp shade, I did not use a spotlight but simple point/area 
lights within a scattering media. However, in both cases, the halo effect is 
not really there like in the original, which is the reason for my emissive 
media around the light source.

This is the media code I use for both halo and scattering:

//====start code

#local HaloScale    = 100;
#local colLum       = rgb <1.0, 1.0, 0.9>; // light color
#local haloTurb     = 0.1;                 // outer halo turbulence
#local haloStrength = 0.5;                 // inner and outer halo intensity 
(outer halo is 50% inner halo intensity)
#local DensityShift = 0.6; //0.9      // shifts the density within the media

#local DensityHalo =
density {
  spherical
  turbulence haloTurb
  color_map {
    [0.4 rgb 0]
    [0.8 colLum*haloStrength*0.05]
    [1.0 colLum*haloStrength*0.5]
  }
  scale <1, 1, 1>
  translate DensityShift*y
}

#local mediaHalo =
media {
  emission haloStrength*0.5
  intervals 1
  samples 100
  confidence 0.9999
  variance 1/10
  density {DensityHalo}
}

#declare LampHalo =
sphere {0, 1
  texture {pigment {rgb 0 transmit 1} finish {ambient 0 diffuse 0}}
  interior {media {mediaHalo}}
  hollow no_shadow
  translate -DensityShift*y
  scale HaloScale
  translate <-0.09911, 1.861, 0.0> //locate halo center a bit within the 
lamp shade
}

//__________________________________________________________________________________
// a scattering media around the street lamps
#if (Halo)
  #declare LampHalo2 =
  sphere {0, 1
    texture {pigment {rgb 0 transmit 1} finish {ambient 0 diffuse 0}}
    interior {
      media {
        intervals 1
        samples 100
        scattering {1, (colLum*0.1)/600}  //200
        density {
          spherical
          color_map {
            [0.5 rgb 1]
            [1.0 rgb 0]
          }
        }
      }
    }
    hollow no_shadow
    scale 600             //200
    translate CamLoc
    rotate CamRot*y
  }

  object {LampHalo2}
#end
//====end code

Thomas


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