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Am 30.07.2010 12:05, schrieb Stephen:
> To maybe finish off, a haiku by Issa, suitable for Povers.
>
> O snail
> Climb Mount Fuji,
> But slowly, slowly!
I guess it's a proper haiku in the original language...? From the little
I know about haikus, the translation doesn't qualify.
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On 30/07/2010 11:18 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 30.07.2010 12:05, schrieb Stephen:
>
>> To maybe finish off, a haiku by Issa, suitable for Povers.
>>
>> O snail
>> Climb Mount Fuji,
>> But slowly, slowly!
>
> I guess it's a proper haiku in the original language...? From the little
> I know about haikus, the translation doesn't qualify.
Interesting, what makes you say that?
I must admit to knowing it from J. D. Salinger's Franny and Zooey, not
from a study of haiku.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Morning on the lake (revisited from 2003)
Date: 30 Jul 2010 06:41:50
Message: <4c52ac6e@news.povray.org>
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Am 30.07.2010 12:36, schrieb Stephen:
> On 30/07/2010 11:18 AM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 30.07.2010 12:05, schrieb Stephen:
>>
>>> To maybe finish off, a haiku by Issa, suitable for Povers.
>>>
>>> O snail
>>> Climb Mount Fuji,
>>> But slowly, slowly!
>>
>> I guess it's a proper haiku in the original language...? From the little
>> I know about haikus, the translation doesn't qualify.
>
> Interesting, what makes you say that?
> I must admit to knowing it from J. D. Salinger's Franny and Zooey, not
> from a study of haiku.
AFAIK a haiku has three lines, each with a certain number of syllables
(IIRC it is 5-7-5).
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On 30/07/2010 11:41 AM, clipka wrote:
>>> I guess it's a proper haiku in the original language...? From the little
>>> I know about haikus, the translation doesn't qualify.
>>
>> Interesting, what makes you say that?
>> I must admit to knowing it from J. D. Salinger's Franny and Zooey, not
>> from a study of haiku.
>
> AFAIK a haiku has three lines, each with a certain number of syllables
> (IIRC it is 5-7-5).
Not wishing to get into an argument, as I am an egg.
You may find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_in_English to be of
interest.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Morning on the lake (revisited from 2003)
Date: 30 Jul 2010 07:39:46
Message: <4c52ba02$1@news.povray.org>
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"clipka" <ano### [at] anonymous org> schreef in bericht
news:4c52ac6e@news.povray.org...
> AFAIK a haiku has three lines, each with a certain number of syllables
> (IIRC it is 5-7-5).
True, but as western languages are much less suited for that than Japanese,
one can also follow the mood/intention rules instead within the three lines.
For translations, the syllabic rule is almost impossible to follow if one
wants to catch the meaning correctly. There are western poets who have
followed the strict syllabic rules, but with few satisfactory results. It
sounds much more artificial.
Apart from the English speaking world, there are a few Dutch haiku poets of
quality. Dutch and English seem to be rather suited to this verse form.
Thomas
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Am 30.07.2010 13:21, schrieb Stephen:
> On 30/07/2010 11:41 AM, clipka wrote:
>
>>>> I guess it's a proper haiku in the original language...? From the
>>>> little
>>>> I know about haikus, the translation doesn't qualify.
>>>
>>> Interesting, what makes you say that?
>>> I must admit to knowing it from J. D. Salinger's Franny and Zooey, not
>>> from a study of haiku.
>>
>> AFAIK a haiku has three lines, each with a certain number of syllables
>> (IIRC it is 5-7-5).
>
> Not wishing to get into an argument, as I am an egg.
> You may find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_in_English to be of
> interest.
Me being a nitpicker, I conclude that the article supports my layman
assertion, and that the poem in question - though qualifying as an
"English haiku" or "haiku in English" - does indeed not qualify as a
regular "haiku" ;-)
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tres cool!
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Morning on the lake (revisited from 2003)
Date: 30 Jul 2010 08:34:17
Message: <4c52c6c9@news.povray.org>
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On 30/07/2010 12:41 PM, clipka wrote:
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> Me being a nitpicker,
I'm sure I have a few more decades practice than you. :-P
> I conclude that the article supports my layman
> assertion, and that the poem in question - though qualifying as an
> "English haiku" or "haiku in English" - does indeed not qualify as a
> regular "haiku" ;-)
I concur and it is not in Japanese, either.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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From: "Jérôme M. Berger"
Subject: Re: Morning on the lake (revisited from 2003)
Date: 30 Jul 2010 12:49:38
Message: <4c5302a2@news.povray.org>
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Once every so many years, I intend to learn Chinese, and each time the
> project petters slowly out.
>
> In 2003, I built this landscape, to which I added the ideograms and sea
l
> with a paint program. I don't remember if I ever showed it here.
>
Nice. Reminds me of Mick Hazelgrove's work
(http://www.mhazelgrove.fsnet.co.uk/ for all the youngsters who
don't remember him).
Jerome
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http://jeberger.free.fr
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From: stbenge
Subject: Re: Morning on the lake (revisited from 2003)
Date: 30 Jul 2010 12:58:19
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Inspiration is all we need really.
Not according to the Beatles ;P
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