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From: Jim Holsenback
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 29 Jul 2007 20:38:16
Message: <46ad32f8@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <new### [at] runevisioncom> wrote in message 
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> I need to fix a few things still. One major question I haven't decided on 
> yet is - should the stems have some kind of leaves here and there...?

You know you've done a VERY nice job modeling the flower. The pistal and 
stamen are dead on.

Leaves .... YES! (just a few)


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 30 Jul 2007 12:10:12
Message: <46ae0d64$1@news.povray.org>
Jellby wrote:
> Among other things, Rune saw fit to write:
>
>>> Oh, wow. This will be really cool if you actually render all 6
>>> images, frame them, and hang them on the wall in the right places.
>>
>> That's the idea. :)
>
> And please, make it available for others as well, either from zazzle
> or the like or as POV source ;)

Yeah, I'm considering the Zazzle option. :)

As for source code, I'll probably release certain macros that have helped me 
create the image, but not the complete source.

Rune
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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 30 Jul 2007 12:14:01
Message: <46ae0e49@news.povray.org>
Ger wrote:
> Alain wrote:
>
>> Ger nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/07/29 01:07:
>>>
>>> Just one thing in the composition that bugs me is the free hanging
>>> piece of metal in the lower left picture. All the others seem to
>>> sprout from the bottom except for that one bit.
>>
>> The piece just apears to be free hanging. Look at the bottom right
>> part: ther's a piece that reatch under another. In the left part, it
>> emerge from behind that one, only with a highlight that make it fade
>> in the bachground.
>>
> Okay, gotcha.
> I obviously didn't see it that way. Maybe an idea to make that just a
> tad more visible.

Hmm, I'll look into it. I can see that it almost looks like it's free 
hanging.

Rune
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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 30 Jul 2007 12:35:14
Message: <46ae1342$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Excellent work indeed!

Thanks!

> The brown of the stems is still a bit odd maybe... I don't know,
> perhaps a tiny bit of green mixed to it will do the job?

Green doesn't work well. A *little* green added to brown just makes it more 
yellow and makes it look even more unhealthy. It's all brown or all green, 
nothing in between, and green doesn't work for me here (I've tried - it 
ruins the feel I want to create).

However, I'm experimenting with other more healthy looking shades of brown.

Rune
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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 30 Jul 2007 14:05:08
Message: <46ae2854$1@news.povray.org>
Ger wrote:
> I love the overall composition, really well done.

Thanks!

> Having been a professional welder, those welds look stunningly real.

I'm glad to hear that! I've been working mostly from reference images.

> I do have a little iffi about how the metal looks. If it's new it's
> more shiny, if it's old it's looks more "gritty". The welds suggest
> it's aluminum and then the surface should be a duller gray-ish gritty
> surface.

Hmm. It's been difficult for me to find good reference images of metal up 
very close. I'm definitely going for "new". How do you mean that new metal 
is more shiny? Overall, I'm satisfied with the metal myself though at this 
point.

> The flowers...DNTA (Do Not Touch Anymore) simply brilliant.

:)

> Not to sure about how the stems look.

I'm experimenting with a better texture for the stems.

> Just one thing in the composition that bugs me is the free hanging
> piece of metal in the lower left picture. All the others seem to
> sprout from the bottom except for that one bit.

As indicated in other posts, it's not hanging. I've changed the piece so 
that this is a bit more clear to see.

Rune
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From: Ger
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 30 Jul 2007 16:38:01
Message: <46ae4c28@news.povray.org>
Rune wrote:

>> I do have a little iffi about how the metal looks. If it's new it's
>> more shiny, if it's old it's looks more "gritty". The welds suggest
>> it's aluminum and then the surface should be a duller gray-ish gritty
>> surface.
> 
> Hmm. It's been difficult for me to find good reference images of metal up
> very close. I'm definitely going for "new". How do you mean that new metal
> is more shiny? Overall, I'm satisfied with the metal myself though at this
> point.
> 


Because of the shape I would say it's extruded aluminum. Have a look at
these pics. They sorta show the shinyness I was talking about.

Search for "aluminum extrustions"

http://216.183.126.109:443/mfgq_live/uploads/profiles/Samples2_126923.jpg
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11853617/Aluminum_Extrusion_Profiles.jpg

Because of the extrusion process this kind of aluminum has a "brushed" look
to it.

> 
>> Just one thing in the composition that bugs me is the free hanging
>> piece of metal in the lower left picture. All the others seem to
>> sprout from the bottom except for that one bit.
> 
> As indicated in other posts, it's not hanging. I've changed the piece so
> that this is a bit more clear to see.

I found the other post clarifying it

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Ger


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 31 Jul 2007 03:21:33
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"Rune" <new### [at] runevisioncom> schreef in bericht 
news:46ae1342$1@news.povray.org...
>
>> The brown of the stems is still a bit odd maybe... I don't know,
>> perhaps a tiny bit of green mixed to it will do the job?
>
> Green doesn't work well. A *little* green added to brown just makes it 
> more yellow and makes it look even more unhealthy. It's all brown or all 
> green, nothing in between, and green doesn't work for me here (I've 
> tried - it ruins the feel I want to create).
>
> However, I'm experimenting with other more healthy looking shades of 
> brown.
>

I totally agree.
In fact, what I was thinking about (to make my intention clearer) was to 
have some thin, greenish, traces inside the overall brown texture and along 
the stems. But that might also ruin your intention/vision. You will come up 
with just the perfect solution, I am sure  :-)

Thomas


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 31 Jul 2007 05:48:57
Message: <46af0589$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> In fact, what I was thinking about (to make my intention clearer) was
> to have some thin, greenish, traces inside the overall brown texture
> and along the stems.

Well that is interesting actually. I'm already doing just that, only with 
white instead of green. I didn't find any reference images of stems where 
brown and green is mixed, but I'll look into the possibility.

> But that might also ruin your intention/vision.
> You will come up with just the perfect solution, I am sure  :-)

I hope so. :)

Rune
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 31 Jul 2007 08:13:57
Message: <46af2785$1@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <new### [at] runevisioncom> schreef in bericht 
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> Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> In fact, what I was thinking about (to make my intention clearer) was
>> to have some thin, greenish, traces inside the overall brown texture
>> and along the stems.
>
> Well that is interesting actually. I'm already doing just that, only with 
> white instead of green. I didn't find any reference images of stems where 
> brown and green is mixed, but I'll look into the possibility.
>

I think that white will indeed work better for your image. My green 
suggestion is probably based on the twig/bark transition that you can see in 
young trees or in young branches. As an afterthought, this would not be so 
realistic in your case.

Thomas


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Flower and Metal WIP3
Date: 31 Jul 2007 13:33:51
Message: <46af727f$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot wrote:

> 
> I think that white will indeed work better for your image. My green 
> suggestion is probably based on the twig/bark transition that you can see in 
> young trees or in young branches.

THere are also the thorny and berry type plants that have green/red combined
http://delta-intkey.com/angio/images/bmag69.jpg


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