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"William Tracy" <wtr### [at] calpoly edu> wrote in message
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> If it is grass, its been mowed awfully short, though; it looks like a
> hilly putting green.
>
"Honey, what's this in the fridge?"
"Meat-cake."
"What's meat-cake?"
"Could be meat. Could be cake."
(From an old George Carlin routine, as good as I can recall)
Anyway, it's short enough that it doesn't poke through the girl's feet.
Maybe it's moss. Maybe it's grass. Maybe it's both. It's hard to tell at
this resolution, but it starts to look more like grass at a higher res. I
guess it's grass that looks kind of like moss. :-)
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Just beautiful Jeremy. Nice, nice, work.
~Steve~
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msn com> schreef in bericht
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> It goes against my principles to say too much, but that I am tempted too
> shows how interesting I find the picture. The ivy does come off as just
> that, some sort of muddying of the waters. Perhaps to cover up not quite
> realized details, or perhaps as an element that once made sense but now
> just confuses. By climbing up the tree the ivy intermediates between the
> two levels of scale, the real world scale of the miniature tree, and the
> fantasy miniature scale of the figures relative to whom the tree is "real
> scale" not miniature. The leaves of the ivy seem caught in between, just
> as the ivy is rooted in the miniature grass but climbing up the real world
> tree. The scale of the leaves is plausible, as some sort of grape-type
> creeper, but not the scale of garden ivy we are more familiar with.
> Further, there is a sense of "interference" with the leaves of the tree.
> It does grieve me to expose you to such close critique, but then close
> observation and mincing conception are invited by the whole precept of the
> picture. It is deceptively casual, and really quite ambitious. Please see
> my critique as enthusiasm.
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>
Reading Jim's comments on the ivy made me look again carefully at the image.
This is a difficult and, somehow, crucial element of the scene. I would like
to see it really as a 'go-between' linking the two worlds: the real one of
our experience, and Faerie (note the quaint, antiquated way of spelling
here! That is important). There is a subtle Celtic undertow here imo, not in
the sense of Little Folk, which would be too easy and obvious, but in the
sense of a hidden gate to the Otherworld, which is enhanced by the tree
itself, standing as it were in the two worlds.
Thomas
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> Reading Jim's comments on the ivy made me look again carefully at the
> image.
> This is a difficult and, somehow, crucial element of the scene. I would
> like to see it really as a 'go-between' linking the two worlds: the real
> one of our experience, and Faerie (note the quaint, antiquated way of
> spelling here! That is important). There is a subtle Celtic undertow here
> imo, not in the sense of Little Folk, which would be too easy and obvious,
> but in the sense of a hidden gate to the Otherworld, which is enhanced by
> the tree itself, standing as it were in the two worlds.
>
Oh yes and change the horse into a unicorn
Marc
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"Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoo fr> wrote in message
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> news: 46175208@news.povray.org...
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>>>
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>>
>> Reading Jim's comments on the ivy made me look again carefully at the
>> image.
>> This is a difficult and, somehow, crucial element of the scene. I would
>> like to see it really as a 'go-between' linking the two worlds: the real
>> one of our experience, and Faerie (note the quaint, antiquated way of
>> spelling here! That is important). There is a subtle Celtic undertow here
>> imo, not in the sense of Little Folk, which would be too easy and
>> obvious, but in the sense of a hidden gate to the Otherworld, which is
>> enhanced by the tree itself, standing as it were in the two worlds.
>>
>
> Oh yes and change the horse into a unicorn
>
The unicorn definitely isn't going to happen. It's way too cliched for my
tastes. :-)
I'm doing a lot of experiments now, with and without the ivy. But Thomas
mentioned a couple of things that I'll expand on a little bit. In my mind,
this series is not simply going to be about "little people". This was part
of the reasoning behind keeping the moss looking somewhat like grass. I'm
thinking of it as more like two worlds coexisting simultaneously: the
miniature and the normal-sized. In that sense, it's meant to be much more
surreal.
I'm still not sure what to do about the ivy, if anything. I've moved-on to
some of my other ideas for the series, and I can easily see some elements
from this scene disappearing. Or not. But I'm starting to think more in
terms of the series as a whole, rather than one particular scene.
Sigh. Perhaps I'm thinking too much. :-)
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"St." <dot### [at] dot com> wrote in message news:4616ce60@news.povray.org...
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> Just beautiful Jeremy. Nice, nice, work.
>
Thanks! And I'm having a lot of fun, too. I hope the fun aspect keeps me
motivated. LOL
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> from this scene disappearing. Or not. But I'm starting to think more in
> terms of the series as a whole, rather than one particular scene.
>
> Sigh. Perhaps I'm thinking too much. :-)
>
>
Perhaps you've gotten us all thinking. (Why is it we do art again?)
This has a real good feel to it. Seems to combine a lot of things you
have been doing and saying over the years then steps up to the next level.
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftware com> schreef in bericht
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> I'm doing a lot of experiments now, with and without the ivy. But Thomas
> mentioned a couple of things that I'll expand on a little bit. In my
> mind, this series is not simply going to be about "little people". This
> was part of the reasoning behind keeping the moss looking somewhat like
> grass. I'm thinking of it as more like two worlds coexisting
> simultaneously: the miniature and the normal-sized. In that sense, it's
> meant to be much more surreal.
Exactly! That is why I mentioned the "little people" as too obvious. The
Otherworld is coexisting with ours according to myth, and if we forget for a
while about trolls and leperchauns, it is a world similar to ours (more or
less) :-)
But let's not speculate too much! You have a fine series to do, full of
potentialities. I would hate to interfere in the process.
>
> I'm still not sure what to do about the ivy, if anything. I've moved-on
> to some of my other ideas for the series, and I can easily see some
> elements from this scene disappearing. Or not. But I'm starting to think
> more in terms of the series as a whole, rather than one particular scene.
Concerning the ivy, I think that just decreasing a little bit the size of
the leaves would be enough. Just to find the right balance between the two
worlds.
>
> Sigh. Perhaps I'm thinking too much. :-)
Well... who isn't??? "-)
Thomas
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Very cool image. Is there a story behind this, or is it a case of "Hey,
this looks cool, I'll run with it..."?
--
Dan
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"Dan Byers" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
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> Very cool image. Is there a story behind this, or is it a case of "Hey,
> this looks cool, I'll run with it..."?
>
Hopefully, the picture is telling a story. :-) But I'm not sure that's what
you meant. (Did you?)
I've been fascinated with Bonsai since I was about 16 years old. More
recently, I'd been playing around with TomTree (POV-Tree) and thought it
would be interesting to try to make a bonsai with TomTree. To make the
scene more interesting, I wanted to include the idea of a miniature world
within a world. As soon as I had that thought, I realized that I really
wanted to do a series of pictures. But at this point, you're not seeing the
whole story.
I expect the series to be somewhat similar to what Gilles did with his
"Variations" series (http://www.oyonale.com/variations/index.php?lan=en), in
the sense of re-using the same surroundings. But there's more to it than
that (I hope), and I don't want to let the cat out of the bag just yet. I
want the story to build over time.
Glad you like it. :-)
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