"Stephen Klebs" <skl### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message 
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>A stunning picture. I was actually most impressed by how well you've done
> the minor elements, especially the planter pot. The subtlety of the 
> painted
> glaze and the scultpted unevenness of the surface really make it look
> handmade.
>
> Congratulations!
>

Thanks!  The texture pot was one of those things that I got a little lucky 
with.  I tried a bazillian different textures, and nothing looked quite 
right, then "Bingo!"  I guess that's part of what I like about using 
procedural textures; sometimes the effects are better than what I could do 
by hand.

To get the unevenness, I used isosurfaces (iso-csg library) with tiny 
normals stretched in the X-Z directions to give the appearance of brush 
strokes.  I did the same with the varnish on the stand.  I don't even know 
if it makes a difference at this resolution, but I sometimes enjoy working 
on the details that lie at the edge of perception.

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"William Tracy" <wtr### [at] calpolyedu> wrote in message 
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> If it is grass, its been mowed awfully short, though; it looks like a 
> hilly putting green.
>

"Honey, what's this in the fridge?"
"Meat-cake."
"What's meat-cake?"
"Could be meat.  Could be cake."
(From an old George Carlin routine, as good as I can recall)

Anyway, it's short enough that it doesn't poke through the girl's feet. 
Maybe it's moss.  Maybe it's grass.  Maybe it's both.  It's hard to tell at 
this resolution, but it starts to look more like grass at a higher res.  I 
guess it's grass that looks kind of like moss.  :-)

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Just beautiful Jeremy. Nice, nice, work.


      ~Steve~

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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht 
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> It goes against my principles to say too much, but that I am tempted too 
> shows how interesting I find the picture.  The ivy does come off  as just 
> that, some sort of muddying of the waters.  Perhaps to cover up not quite 
> realized details, or perhaps as an element that once made sense but now 
> just confuses.  By climbing up the tree the ivy intermediates between the 
> two levels of scale, the real world scale of the miniature tree, and the 
> fantasy miniature scale of the figures relative to whom the tree is "real 
> scale" not miniature.  The leaves of the ivy seem caught in between, just 
> as the ivy is rooted in the miniature grass but climbing up the real world 
> tree.  The scale of the leaves is plausible, as some sort of grape-type 
> creeper, but not the scale of garden ivy we are more familiar with. 
> Further, there is a sense of "interference" with the leaves of the tree. 
> It does grieve me to expose you to such close critique, but then close 
> observation and mincing conception are invited by the whole precept of the 
> picture. It is deceptively casual, and really quite ambitious.  Please see 
> my critique as enthusiasm.
>
>

Reading Jim's comments on the ivy made me look again carefully at the image.
This is a difficult and, somehow, crucial element of the scene. I would like 
to see it really as a 'go-between' linking the two worlds: the real one of 
our experience, and Faerie (note the quaint, antiquated way of spelling 
here! That is important). There is a subtle Celtic undertow here imo, not in 
the sense of Little Folk, which would be too easy and obvious, but in the 
sense of a hidden gate to the Otherworld, which is enhanced by the tree 
itself, standing as it were in the two worlds.

Thomas

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>>
>>
>
> Reading Jim's comments on the ivy made me look again carefully at the 
> image.
> This is a difficult and, somehow, crucial element of the scene. I would 
> like to see it really as a 'go-between' linking the two worlds: the real 
> one of our experience, and Faerie (note the quaint, antiquated way of 
> spelling here! That is important). There is a subtle Celtic undertow here 
> imo, not in the sense of Little Folk, which would be too easy and obvious, 
> but in the sense of a hidden gate to the Otherworld, which is enhanced by 
> the tree itself, standing as it were in the two worlds.
>

Oh yes and change the horse into a unicorn


Marc

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"Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message 
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> news: 46175208@news.povray.org...
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> Reading Jim's comments on the ivy made me look again carefully at the 
>> image.
>> This is a difficult and, somehow, crucial element of the scene. I would 
>> like to see it really as a 'go-between' linking the two worlds: the real 
>> one of our experience, and Faerie (note the quaint, antiquated way of 
>> spelling here! That is important). There is a subtle Celtic undertow here 
>> imo, not in the sense of Little Folk, which would be too easy and 
>> obvious, but in the sense of a hidden gate to the Otherworld, which is 
>> enhanced by the tree itself, standing as it were in the two worlds.
>>
>
> Oh yes and change the horse into a unicorn
>

The unicorn definitely isn't going to happen.  It's way too cliched for my 
tastes.  :-)

I'm doing a lot of experiments now, with and without the ivy.  But Thomas 
mentioned a couple of things that I'll expand on a little bit.  In my mind, 
this series is not simply going to be about "little people".  This was part 
of the reasoning behind keeping the moss looking somewhat like grass.  I'm 
thinking of it as more like two worlds coexisting simultaneously: the 
miniature and the normal-sized.  In that sense, it's meant to be much more 
surreal.

I'm still not sure what to do about the ivy, if anything.  I've moved-on to 
some of my other ideas for the series, and I can easily see some elements 
from this scene disappearing.  Or not.  But I'm starting to think more in 
terms of the series as a whole, rather than one particular scene.

Sigh.  Perhaps I'm thinking too much.  :-)

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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:4616ce60@news.povray.org...
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>   Just beautiful Jeremy. Nice, nice, work.
>

Thanks!  And I'm having a lot of fun, too.  I hope the fun aspect keeps me 
motivated.  LOL

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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:

> from this scene disappearing.  Or not.  But I'm starting to think more in 
> terms of the series as a whole, rather than one particular scene.
> 
> Sigh.  Perhaps I'm thinking too much.  :-) 
> 
> 
Perhaps you've gotten us all thinking. (Why is it we do art again?)

This has a real good feel to it.  Seems to combine a lot of things you 
have been doing and saying over the years then steps up to the next level.

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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> schreef in bericht 
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> I'm doing a lot of experiments now, with and without the ivy.  But Thomas 
> mentioned a couple of things that I'll expand on a little bit.  In my 
> mind, this series is not simply going to be about "little people".  This 
> was part of the reasoning behind keeping the moss looking somewhat like 
> grass.  I'm thinking of it as more like two worlds coexisting 
> simultaneously: the miniature and the normal-sized.  In that sense, it's 
> meant to be much more surreal.

Exactly! That is why I mentioned the "little people" as too obvious. The 
Otherworld is coexisting with ours according to myth, and if we forget for a 
while about trolls and leperchauns, it is a world similar to ours (more or 
less)  :-)
But let's not speculate too much! You have a fine series to do, full of 
potentialities. I would hate to interfere in the process.

>
> I'm still not sure what to do about the ivy, if anything.  I've moved-on 
> to some of my other ideas for the series, and I can easily see some 
> elements from this scene disappearing.  Or not.  But I'm starting to think 
> more in terms of the series as a whole, rather than one particular scene.

Concerning the ivy, I think that just decreasing a little bit the size of 
the leaves would be enough. Just to find the right balance between the two 
worlds.

>
> Sigh.  Perhaps I'm thinking too much.  :-)

Well... who isn't???   "-)

Thomas

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Very cool image.  Is there a story behind this, or is it a case of "Hey,
this looks cool, I'll run with it..."?

--
Dan
GoofyGraffix.com

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