"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:

> I am fascinated by industrial
> architecture, probably more in an archeological sense as I have a preference
> for the abandoned sites, and am always tempted to do something around them.

There is something awesome about the works of man that have been abandoned.
I see 'Age of Innocence_01.jpg' with the power cables broken and Kate

Stewart.

http://tinyurl.com/u4aws
and
http://www.ciencia-ficcion.com/imag/op00225.jpg


Palace of Phaistos in Crete, indescribable.

For industrial architecture, try walking round an offshore oil platform at
night when there are about only twenty people awake. Massive, industrial
and deserted.

Stephen

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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
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> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
>
>> I think Hurlies and Bogies resemble that example I cited from subsahara
>> Africa after all.
>
> I'm not too sure about that. Hurlies and Bogies are forms of transport.
> http://manchesterhistory.net/LONGSIGHT/GAMES/games3.html
>
Correct. Is different.

>> Beds: Was not really a girls game where I lived, and was played with 8
>> squares in the series: 1-1-1-2-1-2.
>
> We call it hopscotch and it was 1-1-1-2-1-2-1 and the last 1 was drawn as 
> a
> semi-circle. Only small boys played it.
>
Yes indeed. Forgot the semi-circle. Wasn't that Heaven?

Thomas

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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
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>
> There is something awesome about the works of man that have been 
> abandoned.
> I see 'Age of Innocence_01.jpg' with the power cables broken and Kate
> dressed in ragged clothes. It reminds me of "The earth abides" by George 
> R.
> Stewart.  http://tinyurl.com/u4aws and 
> http://www.ciencia-ficcion.com/imag/op00225.jpg
>
Now, that would be a very different theme, and interesting to do. I 
addition, I would break up the mega-structures too. Perhaps I will... 
perhaps I will...

> I've been fortunate on a few occasions to have breakfast overlooking the
> Palace of Phaistos in Crete, indescribable.
>
I can imagine! I have been deeply impressed during my visits to Pompeii and 
Herculanum, in particular at times when there were not too many tourists 
around. You get the eery feeling that you are somehow straddling the time 
lines.

> For industrial architecture, try walking round an offshore oil platform at
> night when there are about only twenty people awake. Massive, industrial
> and deserted.
>
Yes, that must be fantastic (in the POV sense). I have not been that often 
on ships, but the few times I was, I always preferred to do the night 
shifts. For the same reasons: few people around. Great experience!

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> Now, that would be a very different theme, and interesting to do. I
> addition, I would break up the mega-structures too. Perhaps I will...
> perhaps I will...


Best of luck with the clothes. I been working in Poser with dynamic clothes

animation, change a setting, run it for two hours, see the break through,


> > I've been fortunate on a few occasions to have breakfast overlooking the
> > Palace of Phaistos in Crete, indescribable.
> >
> I can imagine! I have been deeply impressed during my visits to Pompeii and
> Herculanum, in particular at times when there were not too many tourists
> around. You get the eery feeling that you are somehow straddling the time
> lines.

When I visited Pompeii about fifteen years ago it was empty but too hot to
enjoy. Like Shep Blaine in Clifford D Simak's Time Is the Simplest Thing,
an empty world.

> > For industrial architecture, try walking round an offshore oil platform at
> > night when there are about only twenty people awake. Massive, industrial
> > and deserted.
> >
> Yes, that must be fantastic (in the POV sense). I have not been that often
> on ships, but the few times I was, I always preferred to do the night
> shifts. For the same reasons: few people around. Great experience!
>


Stephen

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Thomas de Groot wrote:

> kind of beauty in those derelict scenes. Especially seeing how nature takes 
> over again, as if Man had only been a passing storm.
> 
In New York, of course, the "subway", when it extends to the boroughs, 
becomes the "elevated".  When I ride off of Manhattan into Long Island 
City I can look down onto many flat industrial rooftops  and see, 
literally, fields of marsh grass growing out of the tar and waving in 
the wind.  (The Day of the Triffids was another great take on this theme.)

For my own part I have be working on some things sourced in the work of 
Vija Celmins, especially her "spider web" messotints.  And so your 
picture, and my train ride through the "Falls" area, brought me to this 
sort of association too:

A NOISELESS, patient spider,	





And you, O my Soul, where you stand,	
Surrounded, surrounded, in measureless oceans of space,	

connect them;	

Till the gossamer thread you fling, catch somewhere, O my Soul.

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Thomas de Groot nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 29/11/2006 10:08:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
> news:web.456d561188cc0edaf1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
>> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:

>>> I think Hurlies and Bogies resemble that example I cited from subsahara
>>> Africa after all.
>> I'm not too sure about that. Hurlies and Bogies are forms of transport.
>> http://manchesterhistory.net/LONGSIGHT/GAMES/games3.html

> Correct. Is different.

>>> Beds: Was not really a girls game where I lived, and was played with 8
>>> squares in the series: 1-1-1-2-1-2.
>> We call it hopscotch and it was 1-1-1-2-1-2-1 and the last 1 was drawn as 
>> a
>> semi-circle. Only small boys played it.

> Yes indeed. Forgot the semi-circle. Wasn't that Heaven?

> Thomas


Those I saw where 1-2-1-2-1-2-1 (numbered 1 to 10) or 1-1-4(X pattern)-1-2-1
We call it "marelle"

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
EVERYTHING HAS A GENDER

You may not know this but many nonliving things have a gender...

A Web Page is Female, because it's always getting hit on.

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>>
> In New York, of course, the "subway", when it extends to the boroughs, 
> becomes the "elevated".  When I ride off of Manhattan into Long Island 
> City I can look down onto many flat industrial rooftops  and see, 
> literally, fields of marsh grass growing out of the tar and waving in the 
> wind.  (The Day of the Triffids was another great take on this theme.)

Ah yes! I can see those roofs... It reminds us, I believe, that we are only 
passing things on this planet. Tolerated, insofar as we grew from the vast 
geosphere/biosphere. But only tolerated. We are transient beings here and 
nothing more.
>
> For my own part I have be working on some things sourced in the work of 
> Vija Celmins, especially her "spider web" messotints.  And so your 
> picture, and my train ride through the "Falls" area, brought me to this 
> sort of association too:
>




> And you, O my Soul, where you stand, Surrounded, surrounded, in 
> measureless oceans of space, Ceaselessly musing, venturing, 


> fling, catch somewhere, O my Soul.


Thank you Jim. This is very appropriate and strangely familiar to my 
thoughts at the moment of conception of the image too. It was not purely 
hazard that I made it around the period of my 60th birthday. Period of 
meditation... So, your poem is going to form an integral part with the 
image, I'm afraid :-)
Vija Celmins: That's intriguing work she's making! Very subtle. I am very 
curious to see one day how this is inspiring you in your own field.

Thomas

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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
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>
> I'll be very interesting to see what you come up with.
> Best of luck with the clothes. I been working in Poser with dynamic 
> clothes
> and it is driving me mad. For two weeks I've been trying to clothe an
> animation, change a setting, run it for two hours, see the break through,
> change a setting .

Take patience. It will be some while. For the time being, the image is 
finished, but I may take it up again some time in the future.
I am (on and off) also working with clothing in Poser to get the feel of it 
and understand the workings. I think that animation is even harder to get 
right. There is a collision switch by the way but I have not yet really 
experimented with it. Once you start working with it, Poser is a real 
challenge, but oh boy, the potentialities!!! I am glad to have taken the 
step and started using it. It will gradually permeate my work :-)

.... Great experience!
>>
> Yes but I wouldn't try to render it. Memory has too wide a field of view.

<grin> true. Have to wear blinkers :-)

Thomas

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"Alain" <ele### [at] netscapenet> schreef in bericht 
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>
> Those I saw where 1-2-1-2-1-2-1 (numbered 1 to 10) or 1-1-4(X 
> pattern)-1-2-1
> We call it "marelle"
>
Marelle of course!! The name slipped me by. That's what happens when you 
constantly switch languages (Dutch outside; French at home as my wife is 
French; English in these ng...). At times I am thinking (and speaking) a 
terrible hotchpotch of languages.... :-)

I think I shall use one of these games in a scene maybe.... Hmmmmm.....

Thomas

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:00:24 -0500, Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote:

>
>A NOISELESS, patient spider,	




>
>And you, O my Soul, where you stand,	
>Surrounded, surrounded, in measureless oceans of space,	

>connect them;	

>Till the gossamer thread you fling, catch somewhere, O my Soul.

I don't know why but this reminds me of "Invitation to Miss Marianne Moore" by
Elizabeth Bishop.
 

Regards
	Stephen

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