Man, you are relentless.  This has a great feeling.  Coincidently I just 
returned from a Thanksgiving visit to my family in Canada.  I returned 
on the train from Toronto to NY, crossing the border at Niagra Falls. 
Think hydro electric.  Think lots and lots of high tension towers like 
in your scene.  Think of me thinking about what great subjects they 
would make for a tracing.

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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht 
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> Man, you are relentless.  This has a great feeling.  Coincidently I just 
> returned from a Thanksgiving visit to my family in Canada.  I returned on 
> the train from Toronto to NY, crossing the border at Niagra Falls. Think 
> hydro electric.  Think lots and lots of high tension towers like in your 
> scene.  Think of me thinking about what great subjects they would make for 
> a tracing.

Thank you indeed Jim!
Sometimes things are there just at the right time. And my growing collection 
of macros, includes, objects, is paying off. I can very well imagine your 
thoughts at Niagara Falls indeed. I am fascinated by industrial 
architecture, probably more in an archeological sense as I have a preference 
for the abandoned sites, and am always tempted to do something around them. 
Not often that I use those elements, though. The right mood and inspiration 
have to be present too. There are a number of pieces I would like to do 
around that theme. In fact, I have one for the current IRTC, but it seems 
not to come off the ground, so we'll see. There are other temptations 
around.

I recently saw some photographic work from the site of Tchernobyl. Man! How 
that reminded me of Tarkovski's Stalker! There is a source of inspiration 
there. Beware however not to get too depressed :-)  But there is a strange 
kind of beauty in those derelict scenes. Especially seeing how nature takes 
over again, as if Man had only been a passing storm.

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:

> > Are you looking to start an argument because I thing it is an Intelligent
> > Design issue :-)
> Great! No. No argument here. The comparison in any case is wrong because of
> the very controversial status of social darwinism. I like to hustle things a
> bit sometimes. Not very scientific, I admit, but fun to do nonetheless.

<g>



> Nice site! Yes, some of them seem to come back regularly, like  bools in
> particular.
> Chuckies!!! We called those 'osselets' (small bones) and they resembled
> indeed little finger bones, but made of plastic (no good! too light) or
> metal (excellent!), four were white, one was red.

On the West coast we called them Knuckles and I believe the Romans played
it.

> Tic Tac: Oh yes!

Tic Tac Toe, for us, and the winner was the one that stepped on the others
toe.

> I think Hurlies and Bogies resemble that example I cited from subsahara
> Africa after all.


http://manchesterhistory.net/LONGSIGHT/GAMES/games3.html

> Beds: Was not really a girls game where I lived, and was played with 8
> squares in the series: 1-1-1-2-1-2.

We call it hopscotch and it was 1-1-1-2-1-2-1 and the last 1 was drawn as a
semi-circle. Only small boys played it.



> Ok then. Nothing to worry about. I see them the same way. Yes, mine are
> indeed a bit lighter and that's truly a personnal taste.

Good :-)

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:

> I am fascinated by industrial
> architecture, probably more in an archeological sense as I have a preference
> for the abandoned sites, and am always tempted to do something around them.

There is something awesome about the works of man that have been abandoned.
I see 'Age of Innocence_01.jpg' with the power cables broken and Kate

Stewart.

http://tinyurl.com/u4aws
and
http://www.ciencia-ficcion.com/imag/op00225.jpg


Palace of Phaistos in Crete, indescribable.

For industrial architecture, try walking round an offshore oil platform at
night when there are about only twenty people awake. Massive, industrial
and deserted.

Stephen

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> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
>
>> I think Hurlies and Bogies resemble that example I cited from subsahara
>> Africa after all.
>
> I'm not too sure about that. Hurlies and Bogies are forms of transport.
> http://manchesterhistory.net/LONGSIGHT/GAMES/games3.html
>
Correct. Is different.

>> Beds: Was not really a girls game where I lived, and was played with 8
>> squares in the series: 1-1-1-2-1-2.
>
> We call it hopscotch and it was 1-1-1-2-1-2-1 and the last 1 was drawn as 
> a
> semi-circle. Only small boys played it.
>
Yes indeed. Forgot the semi-circle. Wasn't that Heaven?

Thomas

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>
> There is something awesome about the works of man that have been 
> abandoned.
> I see 'Age of Innocence_01.jpg' with the power cables broken and Kate
> dressed in ragged clothes. It reminds me of "The earth abides" by George 
> R.
> Stewart.  http://tinyurl.com/u4aws and 
> http://www.ciencia-ficcion.com/imag/op00225.jpg
>
Now, that would be a very different theme, and interesting to do. I 
addition, I would break up the mega-structures too. Perhaps I will... 
perhaps I will...

> I've been fortunate on a few occasions to have breakfast overlooking the
> Palace of Phaistos in Crete, indescribable.
>
I can imagine! I have been deeply impressed during my visits to Pompeii and 
Herculanum, in particular at times when there were not too many tourists 
around. You get the eery feeling that you are somehow straddling the time 
lines.

> For industrial architecture, try walking round an offshore oil platform at
> night when there are about only twenty people awake. Massive, industrial
> and deserted.
>
Yes, that must be fantastic (in the POV sense). I have not been that often 
on ships, but the few times I was, I always preferred to do the night 
shifts. For the same reasons: few people around. Great experience!

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> Now, that would be a very different theme, and interesting to do. I
> addition, I would break up the mega-structures too. Perhaps I will...
> perhaps I will...


Best of luck with the clothes. I been working in Poser with dynamic clothes

animation, change a setting, run it for two hours, see the break through,


> > I've been fortunate on a few occasions to have breakfast overlooking the
> > Palace of Phaistos in Crete, indescribable.
> >
> I can imagine! I have been deeply impressed during my visits to Pompeii and
> Herculanum, in particular at times when there were not too many tourists
> around. You get the eery feeling that you are somehow straddling the time
> lines.

When I visited Pompeii about fifteen years ago it was empty but too hot to
enjoy. Like Shep Blaine in Clifford D Simak's Time Is the Simplest Thing,
an empty world.

> > For industrial architecture, try walking round an offshore oil platform at
> > night when there are about only twenty people awake. Massive, industrial
> > and deserted.
> >
> Yes, that must be fantastic (in the POV sense). I have not been that often
> on ships, but the few times I was, I always preferred to do the night
> shifts. For the same reasons: few people around. Great experience!
>


Stephen

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Thomas de Groot wrote:

> kind of beauty in those derelict scenes. Especially seeing how nature takes 
> over again, as if Man had only been a passing storm.
> 
In New York, of course, the "subway", when it extends to the boroughs, 
becomes the "elevated".  When I ride off of Manhattan into Long Island 
City I can look down onto many flat industrial rooftops  and see, 
literally, fields of marsh grass growing out of the tar and waving in 
the wind.  (The Day of the Triffids was another great take on this theme.)

For my own part I have be working on some things sourced in the work of 
Vija Celmins, especially her "spider web" messotints.  And so your 
picture, and my train ride through the "Falls" area, brought me to this 
sort of association too:

A NOISELESS, patient spider,	





And you, O my Soul, where you stand,	
Surrounded, surrounded, in measureless oceans of space,	

connect them;	

Till the gossamer thread you fling, catch somewhere, O my Soul.

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Thomas de Groot nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 29/11/2006 10:08:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
> news:web.456d561188cc0edaf1cb1e660@news.povray.org...
>> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:

>>> I think Hurlies and Bogies resemble that example I cited from subsahara
>>> Africa after all.
>> I'm not too sure about that. Hurlies and Bogies are forms of transport.
>> http://manchesterhistory.net/LONGSIGHT/GAMES/games3.html

> Correct. Is different.

>>> Beds: Was not really a girls game where I lived, and was played with 8
>>> squares in the series: 1-1-1-2-1-2.
>> We call it hopscotch and it was 1-1-1-2-1-2-1 and the last 1 was drawn as 
>> a
>> semi-circle. Only small boys played it.

> Yes indeed. Forgot the semi-circle. Wasn't that Heaven?

> Thomas


Those I saw where 1-2-1-2-1-2-1 (numbered 1 to 10) or 1-1-4(X pattern)-1-2-1
We call it "marelle"

-- 
Alain
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EVERYTHING HAS A GENDER

You may not know this but many nonliving things have a gender...

A Web Page is Female, because it's always getting hit on.

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>>
> In New York, of course, the "subway", when it extends to the boroughs, 
> becomes the "elevated".  When I ride off of Manhattan into Long Island 
> City I can look down onto many flat industrial rooftops  and see, 
> literally, fields of marsh grass growing out of the tar and waving in the 
> wind.  (The Day of the Triffids was another great take on this theme.)

Ah yes! I can see those roofs... It reminds us, I believe, that we are only 
passing things on this planet. Tolerated, insofar as we grew from the vast 
geosphere/biosphere. But only tolerated. We are transient beings here and 
nothing more.
>
> For my own part I have be working on some things sourced in the work of 
> Vija Celmins, especially her "spider web" messotints.  And so your 
> picture, and my train ride through the "Falls" area, brought me to this 
> sort of association too:
>




> And you, O my Soul, where you stand, Surrounded, surrounded, in 
> measureless oceans of space, Ceaselessly musing, venturing, 


> fling, catch somewhere, O my Soul.


Thank you Jim. This is very appropriate and strangely familiar to my 
thoughts at the moment of conception of the image too. It was not purely 
hazard that I made it around the period of my 60th birthday. Period of 
meditation... So, your poem is going to form an integral part with the 
image, I'm afraid :-)
Vija Celmins: That's intriguing work she's making! Very subtle. I am very 
curious to see one day how this is inspiring you in your own field.

Thomas

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