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From: Chambers
Subject: Dandelion alternate
Date: 3 Mar 2006 17:42:23
Message: <4408c64f$1@news.povray.org>
This one is from a different perspective.  I know the night scene is 
currently horrible, but I'm trying to get just the right feel.  I've got 
one other alternate view I'll post, if not this afternoon then tomorrow.

...Chambers


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Dandelion alternate
Date: 3 Mar 2006 17:44:12
Message: <4408c6bc$1@news.povray.org>
Oh yeah, I know about the purple in the jar - I just can't figure it 
out.  The flower is made of several translucent objects, and the stem is 
media-filled, but I'm not sure which one of those is the problem...


...Chambers


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From: Scott David Daniels
Subject: Re: Dandelion alternate
Date: 3 Mar 2006 18:08:56
Message: <4408cc88@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Oh yeah, I know about the purple in the jar - I just can't figure it 
> out.  The flower is made of several translucent objects, and the stem is 
> media-filled, but I'm not sure which one of those is the problem...

I love the mood of this one (though clearly it has a bit to go).


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Dandelion alternate
Date: 3 Mar 2006 18:37:27
Message: <4408d337$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Oh yeah, I know about the purple in the jar - I just can't figure it 
> out.  The flower is made of several translucent objects, and the stem is 
> media-filled, but I'm not sure which one of those is the problem...
> 
> 
> ...Chambers

I figured it out, it was the viewing angle.  Since the stem is 
scattering the green light, what's left (in the shadow, which is what 
you see) is purple light.

...Chambers


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Dandelion alternate
Date: 3 Mar 2006 19:37:06
Message: <4408e132@news.povray.org>
Here's the other alternate.  Currently, I'm thinking I'll go with this 
one, but I'd like to hear other people's thoughts.

(Remember, I'm just talking about the viewing angle, and not the 
finished render).

...Chambers


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From: Slime
Subject: Re: Dandelion alternate
Date: 4 Mar 2006 03:24:54
Message: <44094ed6@news.povray.org>
In both of them, I'd like to see the camera brought closer and the viewing
angle increased, to get the same image with more of a perspective effect.
Overall, I like the first one better - the view is more interesting IMO -
except that the radiator (thought it was a chair) and table poking into the
bottom part of the image confuses my eyes a little. They feel cramped in
there.

As far as lighting goes, I prefer the first, but I think the harsh edges on
the moon and jar need to be softened. The light from outside falling on the
red brick confuses me; if the moon is visible, the light must be coming from
something else - a street light, perhaps, but it doesn't make sense that
it's coming from below.

 - Slime
 [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Dandelion alternate
Date: 4 Mar 2006 08:41:17
Message: <440998fd@news.povray.org>
Slime nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 04/03/2006 03:24:
> In both of them, I'd like to see the camera brought closer and the viewing
> angle increased, to get the same image with more of a perspective effect.
> Overall, I like the first one better - the view is more interesting IMO -
> except that the radiator (thought it was a chair) and table poking into the
> bottom part of the image confuses my eyes a little. They feel cramped in
> there.
> 
> As far as lighting goes, I prefer the first, but I think the harsh edges on
> the moon and jar need to be softened. The light from outside falling on the
> red brick confuses me; if the moon is visible, the light must be coming from
> something else - a street light, perhaps, but it doesn't make sense that
> it's coming from below.
> 
>  - Slime
>  [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
> 
> 
You are on the second or third floor, so, you are higher than the street lamps.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
Protestantism: Let shit happen to someone else.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Dandelion alternate
Date: 4 Mar 2006 12:53:43
Message: <4409d427$1@news.povray.org>
Slime wrote:
> In both of them, I'd like to see the camera brought closer and the viewing
> angle increased, to get the same image with more of a perspective effect.

Hmm...  I'd pulled the camera out much further than normal, and used a 
smaller viewing angle (15'), as I've noticed this gives a better 
impression of size when you're close up to an object.  However, the 
camera is no longer that close to the object, so I'll have to try that out.

> Overall, I like the first one better

Wait, do you mean the previous WIPs, or the first alternate (the night 
scene)?

> - the view is more interesting IMO -
> except that the radiator (thought it was a chair) and table poking into the
> bottom part of the image confuses my eyes a little. They feel cramped in
> there.

I know, and right now I'm just trying out alternate angles before I fix 
anything like that.


> As far as lighting goes, I prefer the first, but I think the harsh edges on
> the moon and jar need to be softened. The light from outside falling on the
> red brick confuses me; if the moon is visible, the light must be coming from
> something else - a street light, perhaps, but it doesn't make sense that
> it's coming from below.

Well, you're a few stories up, though I could put it on the ground floor 
and throw some trees outside...


> 
>  - Slime
>  [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
> 
> 

...Chambers


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From: Slime
Subject: Re: Dandelion alternate
Date: 4 Mar 2006 15:39:05
Message: <4409fae9$1@news.povray.org>
> Wait, do you mean the previous WIPs, or the first alternate (the night
> scene)?


First alternate, night scene.

> Well, you're a few stories up, though I could put it on the ground floor
> and throw some trees outside...

Ah. Forgot about cities =)

 - Slime
 [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Dandelion alternate
Date: 4 Mar 2006 22:40:38
Message: <440a5db6$1@news.povray.org>
"Slime" <fak### [at] emailaddress> wrote in message 
news:44094ed6@news.povray.org...
> In both of them, I'd like to see the camera brought closer and the viewing
> angle increased, to get the same image with more of a perspective effect.

I can agree with that idea, partly anyway. I think it could probably go 
either way, since a distant vantage point might also be good for effect but 
in a different kind of way. But I do like the suggestion of a closer 
macro-like view. Background (and foreground) could mostly be out-of-focus 
that way, and therefore less important to detail as much as the jar area 
itself. The farther vantage point doesn't fare as well for camera blur 
unless binoculars or telescope were being used.

Had you already thought of putting a bug or bee on the outside of that jar, 
as though it were wanting to get to the flower? That occured to me after 
seeing the jar nearby in that nighttime picture.

Concerning that purple shadow... couldn't media absorption be added to 
counteract that? Must be media you're using there because filtered color 
would be the same green color. Wouldn't you think I would know for sure 
without asking or trying it myself?! I just don't trust my memory about it! 
;)

-- 
Bob H  www.3digitaleyes.com
http://3digitaleyes.com/imagery/


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