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From: Ive
Subject: Amber?
Date: 4 Dec 2002 10:00:24
Message: <3dee1888@news.povray.org>
Does this look like amber?
Once I had a similar piece, but I have lost it long ago (among many other
things) at one of my numerous removals so I do not have any reference
object here. I also did not find any good picture in the web.

Anyway here is my try at something amberish and I already can hear
you call PHOTONS!  Well, they will come and there is also a need
for a different lighting setup, some other backgound...
Until now I have no scene idea for this amber (?) piece,  suggestions
are welcome.

-Ive

P.S. Somehow I do not manage it to finish one of my scenes, there are
meanwhile about five nearly complete ones but each of them will last a
few days for a final render. And I have too many different ideas in my
mind...


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Amber?
Date: 4 Dec 2002 11:33:54
Message: <3DEE30D4.5040501@aol.com>
Ive wrote:
> Does this look like amber?

I have no reference either but I am certainly ready to believe it looks 
like amber.  It looks very good.


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From: Martin Magnusson
Subject: Re: Amber?
Date: 4 Dec 2002 13:12:19
Message: <3DEE4591.8080604@frustratedhousewives.zzn.com>
Ger Remmers wrote:
> All the ambers I have seen were a lot clearer and a lot smoother.
> More of an oily kind of color

I'm not sure it has to be clearer, but I think of amber as smoother and 
more brown-orange.

/ martin


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From: Ive
Subject: Re: Amber?
Date: 4 Dec 2002 14:07:02
Message: <3dee5256$1@news.povray.org>
> Looked around a bit and this is one I found
>
> Cheers
>
> Ger


Wow, thanks. But I think I'm not so far away from
this one 'cause here is a completely different lighting
and the piece is on a bright ground. I'm currently
doing also a new lighting version and will post it in
a few hours (when it's finished).

-Ive


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Amber?
Date: 4 Dec 2002 14:07:41
Message: <3dee527d@news.povray.org>
"Ive" <ive### [at] lilysoftcom> wrote in message
news:3dee1888@news.povray.org...

> Does this look like amber?

    Your amber is actually 'very' good. I've dealt with and set many
geographical variations of amber before now, and what you've got there
is a piece that's very old and 'weathered' - as if found on the Baltic
shores. It would be found in that condition and then polished for
sale. A piece with a bug in it like that would be very highly prized
and could be worth a small fortune.

    As for the colour of amber, it can vary immensly from a totally
unclear cream colour through orangy opaque to totally clear and bright
orange. It can also look green or yellow.  Amber can have many natural
flaws like cracks and what I call 'flowers' inside of them (not sure
of the exact term, but if you imagine a small disc shape in various
diameters and at different angles to eachother - these reflect light
fairly well, almost mirror-like).

    Nice work!

   ~Steve~


> -Ive


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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: Amber?
Date: 4 Dec 2002 14:19:33
Message: <20021204201931.307728ef.jaimevives@ignorancia.org>
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:01:22 +0100
"Ive" <ive### [at] lilysoftcom> wrote:

  Very good! Your texturing skills are getting really good (I really
liked the gold on the Dragon).

> Does this look like amber?

  Yes, it is very recognizable (the insect inside helps, no doubt).

> Once I had a similar piece, but I have lost it long ago (among many
> other things) at one of my numerous removals so I do not have any
> reference object here. I also did not find any good picture in the
> web.

  You don't use Google? My first try many reference photos:

http://images.google.com/images?q=amber+insect&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search

  As you see, the colors vary from a dark orange to yellow. I suppose
there are many kinds of amber out there.


> Until now I have no scene idea for this amber (?) piece,  suggestions
> are welcome.

  The table on the lab of a naturalist? 

-- 
Jaime Vives Piqueres
		
La Persistencia de la Ignorancia
http://www.ignorancia.org


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From: Ive
Subject: More Amber
Date: 4 Dec 2002 20:20:56
Message: <3deea9f8@news.povray.org>
Same room but with a different lighting.
Same piece of amber but the surface is less rough, I'm
not sure if the polishing is an improvement, I also do like
the  more "weathered" version. The antialiasing settings
are this time quite poor 'cause I was so impatient.
The shape (its just a blob) needs also some work.

-Ive


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From: Ive
Subject: Re: Amber?
Date: 4 Dec 2002 20:21:05
Message: <3deeaa01@news.povray.org>
> I have no reference either but I am certainly ready to believe it looks
> like amber.  It looks very good.
>

To make you something believe is all raytracing is about, isn't it?

:-)Ive


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From: Ive
Subject: Re: Amber?
Date: 4 Dec 2002 20:21:06
Message: <3deeaa02$1@news.povray.org>
A very old piece as found on the Baltic shores. Wow. Phantastic.
Thanks a lot and it's nice to hear that my virtual piece as done from
my memories has something to do with the real thing.

-Ive


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From: Ive
Subject: Re: Amber?
Date: 4 Dec 2002 20:21:50
Message: <3deeaa2e@news.povray.org>
>  Very good! Your texturing skills are getting really good (I really
> liked the gold on the Dragon).

Well, you know, most of the things I have learned from looking
at some of your sources. Especially the way you did create the
micro-surface-normals in your nuts&bolts scene. It took a while
'till I did understand what the heck you where doing there but
meanwhile I really do prefer this way (compared e.g. to large
scaled normals for blurred reflections) because it gives you a
very powerful and precise control on the appearance of the
surface. Was this technique (so to say) invented by you?


>   You don't use Google? My first try many reference photos:

Ahem, silly me, I did not use the image search and found just
numerous technical/geographical/scientifical pages. But at least
I got the IOR from there.


>   The table on the lab of a naturalist?

Hmm, one more room to create. We will see.

-Ive


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