Like others have said, the scale is off. I notice that
the vase is about the same length as the girl's
forearm. I suppose that might be right if it's a big
vase but it still seems larger than I would expect.
It might help if there was a butterfly closer to
the fruit to show the scale. That might help to make
the other butterflies seem close and not like giants.


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> I'm afraid this doesn't quite work. Don't know why - tried a hundred or two
variations with no sucess.
>

I dunno - I think the mixing of styles throws it. A formal garden or park seems
called for, rather than this rather wild terrain...

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Tom Melly wrote:
> I dunno - I think the mixing of styles throws it. A formal garden
> or park seems called for, rather than this rather wild terrain...

I still think it's a very Pre-raphaelite image, it just needs some
minor tweaking.  My impressions of the large butterflies is that
they're supposed to be that way.

The bridge is too vibrant, and the gazebo too well-defined, but
look at the arc created by the butterflies-bird-wolf, then the
line of girl/bridge/gazebo/distant mountain...the arc draws the
viewer through the painting.  So the wolf is nice.  Only problem
is the overall scene is significantly more saturated than the
girl.  I DO like the sudden bright blue of the foremost butterfly,
perhaps drop the saturation of the rest of the image.  And put in
some specific little items that you really have to be looking at
to see, but have high detail.  Add more to the background.

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> I'm afraid this doesn't quite work. Don't know why - tried a hundred or
two variations with no sucess.

looks unbalanced - loose the red bridge


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Making the bridge white or brown will make a world of a difference. Take the
butterflies further from the camera, maybe leave one or two near the camera.
Putting some butterflies near the lady will also help realize their size. Focal
blur would also help with the scale but then you'd loose a lot of detail.

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"Mick Hazelgrove" <mic### [at] mhazelgrovefsnetcouk> wrote in message
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>
>
> Thanks, it was made in amorphium. It's about the only thing I can get it to
do!
>

Phew - I thought it was just me.... Oh, I can make things SPIKEY!

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Mick -

It looks like you are going for "fantasy painting" or "magical reality"
imagery.  In this case, I think the color saturation and lack of shadows
look pretty cool.

Like many people, my biggest issue is with scale.  If your lady were to
walk over to the bridge or the gazebo, they would be absolutely giant. 
Maybe you could actually move your lady onto the bridge or the gazebo
and do a very simple test run to check the scale.  Basically, I think
she needs to be a bit bigger, but she's YOUR lady...

Second, you've done a marvelous job with adding randomness and variation
to the landscape.  I really like the subtle balancing rocks in the
distance.  However, the "man-made" objects like the picnic kit seem to
be very plastic.  Maybe you could add some texturing to them (spots on
the banana and apple).  I think the gazebo and bridge could do with some
signs of weathering, too.  That would increase the illusion of realism.

Hope this helps.

- Ben

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I agree, the bridge seems a bit off.  for one thing, it is bright red, and
jumps out at you, while the rest is a kind of soothing, cool green or
bluish.  Also, it looks oriental to me, like you would see in a japaneese
garden.  Those tend to be very calm ordered, while this scene is more open,
wild, or something.  Plus, it is sitting in front of the white gazeebo, and
they don't seem to match at all.
I think you're being to hard on yourself.  I would love to be able to create
something like this!  Excelent scene!

Barron

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Hi Mick,

"Mick Hazelgrove" <mic### [at] mhazelgrovefsnetcouk> wrote in message
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You said:

: the butterflies, are very close to the camera and intentionally large
: Mick

But when you look at the picture, the first butterfly
on the left (the biggest one) looks like it is further
away from the camera than the little pink flower that
is positioned to the left of it. If so, then the butterfly
seems about 10 times bigger than the flower.

From my perspective, the blades of grass are in
front of the butterfly too, making it look further away
than the flower.

If you want to take the eye to your subject better,
perhaps have her wear a brighter color dress and
tone down the bridge, unless the bridge is your
subject. The bright color of the butterflies tends to
draw the eye away from the girl too. Maybe a bright
bouquet of flowers in her hand or a ribbon in her
hair? I don't know... The dragonflies look a little big
too. Try taking the bridge out?

Personally, I like the color of the water. I think the
sky is a little drab. Love the grass and cattails.

Still, a wonderful picture! I love your rocks. How do
you make those?

=Bob=

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"Tony[B]" wrote:
> 
> 6) Less transparent water, and bluer.

I disagree; blueish color is just a reflection of the sky, which in this
case is not very intense or saturated, so the water really wouldn't pick
up much color.

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