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Subject: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 02:53:10
Message: <3k6e8u0g5po4glog938hommr66jr4cu858@4ax.com>
Here is a final appearance of my implementation of blur/proximity/surrounding
pattern in 3.5. Now it is smooth, accurate and works with any finite object.
I'm still optimizing it but as soon as possible I'll start what was my
intention at begining: universal beveler with slope controlled by spline with
output to function, heighfield, isosurface, mesh and file-mesh.

ABX
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disc{z,-z 5#macro O()asc(substr("-+((1*(,1,/.-,*/(,&.323/'1"e,1))*.1-4#declare
e=e-1;#end#local e=26;pigment{#local g=function(_){ceil(_)-_}function#local//X
k=function{pattern{object{sphere_sweep{linear_spline 13#while(e>0)<O(),O()//AB
>.01#end}}}}{k(g(atan2(x,y)),g(ln((y+x)^2+1e-5)),0)}}finish{ambient 1}}//POV35


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 05:03:27
Message: <3C873AEF.33914B50@gmx.de>

> 
> Here is a final appearance of my implementation of blur/proximity/surrounding
> pattern in 3.5. Now it is smooth, accurate and works with any finite object.
> I'm still optimizing it but as soon as possible I'll start what was my
> intention at begining: universal beveler with slope controlled by spline with
> output to function, heighfield, isosurface, mesh and file-mesh.

That looks very good.  How is it done, how fast is it?

Christoph

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Subject: Re: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 05:16:25
Message: <hdfe8uci4durgdnp655lhinv92rtupqrt2@4ax.com>
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:03:27 +0100, Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
wrote:
> That looks very good.

Thanks.

> How is it done

As previously sampling around point.

> how fast is it?

Meanwhile I've found new efficient optimization so I will wait with answer.
(At this moment it is not fast enough to be proud)

ABX
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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 05:33:59
Message: <3C874216.E8C54E65@gmx.de>

> 
> > How is it done
> 
> As previously sampling around point.

Sampling with inside/outside tests or with 'trace()'?

For the former i think caching samples and adaptive sampling are probably
very useful techniques for improving speed.

Christoph

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Subject: Re: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 05:41:43
Message: <ioge8ukobdf0e5u0rh8ec9dgpkeo18m0r7@4ax.com>
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:33:58 +0100, Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
wrote:
> > > How is it done
> > 
> > As previously sampling around point.
>
> Sampling with inside/outside tests or with 'trace()'?

Inside/outside - remember it's pattern/function so I don't use trace at all

> For the former i think caching samples and adaptive sampling are probably
> very useful techniques for improving speed.

Caching is afaik impossible at function level but yes, I'm currently
implementing adaptive method with as small operetions as possible.

ABX


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 07:08:19
Message: <3C875832.E9942665@gmx.de>

> 
> [...]
> 
> Caching is afaik impossible at function level but yes, I'm currently
> implementing adaptive method with as small operetions as possible.
> 

Caching function values could be an interesting strategy for improving
function speed in general, it would of course have to be implemented
inside Povray.  There are not so many situations apart blurring where you
evaluate exactly the same point several times, but it could be used like a
function image in a pigment instead of using the function directly just
without calculating the whole grid in advance.

Does this make sense somehow?

Christoph

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Subject: Re: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 07:22:52
Message: <9fme8u4i2buqhrcnn56r1360966361r6rn@4ax.com>
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 13:08:18 +0100, Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
wrote:
> Does this make sense somehow?

Yes for me.
And I must say I have it implemented too, but I never named it "caching".
I prepare my function in two steps. At first create apriopriate function. At
second I create function image to eliminate diskrete characteristic and speed
isosurface creation.
But there were two main reasons of slow progress of my macro: shortest-code
contest (my best image failed becouse of render speed) and bugs in beta (every
improvement in macro leads me to some bug).

ABX


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 07:40:12
Message: <3C875FAC.A23F35BF@gmx.de>

> 
> > Does this make sense somehow?
> 
> Yes for me.
> And I must say I have it implemented too, but I never named it "caching".
> I prepare my function in two steps. At first create apriopriate function. At
> second I create function image to eliminate diskrete characteristic and speed
> isosurface creation.

This is not exactly what i meant, my method would also work in 3d and not
only with 2d image maps and as said it would avoid calculating the whole
grid in advance.  Furthermore you could have adaptive grid stepping.

Just imagine an object with a very slow 3d (not uv-mapped) pattern
pigment.  You could create a df3 from the pattern and use it, but this
would be extremely large with high resolution and you would have all the
values inside and outside the object where they are not needed.  The
described method would be very suited for this.

Christoph

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Subject: Re: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 07:54:54
Message: <vdoe8u8poemm46tue9tei1uf4rt9mf6s4f@4ax.com>
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 13:40:12 +0100, Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
wrote:
> This is not exactly what i meant, my method would also work in 3d and not
> only with 2d image maps and as said it would avoid calculating the whole
> grid in advance.  Furthermore you could have adaptive grid stepping.

You are going exactly the same way I though about this problem. That's why I
asked about chr(0) in povray.general some day.

ABX


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Subject: Re: proximity/blur pattern finally adjusted
Date: 7 Mar 2002 10:47:20
Message: <uc2f8u8rhhuoajslft80k4j9tcboavfv18@4ax.com>

wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:03:27 +0100, Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
> wrote:
> > how fast is it?
>
> Meanwhile I've found new efficient optimization so I will wait with answer.
> (At this moment it is not fast enough to be proud)

Optimization looks really efficient. Here is image after optimizations. I
can't find any difference. While previously it took ~30 hours, now it use no
more 2 hours on my poor PII 233 with a lot of tasks. Number of samples vary
from 1 to 10001. If somebody is interested then below is output stream:

  Remove bounds........On  Split unions........Off
  Library paths: C:\Program Files\POV-Ray for Windows v3.5\INCLUDE
    C:\WINNT\Fonts
Output Options
  Image resolution 800 by 600 (rows 1 to 600, columns 1 to 800).
  Output file: beveler.png, 24 bpp PNG
  Graphic display......On  (type: 0, palette: 3, gamma:  2.2)
  Mosaic preview......Off
  CPU usage histogram.Off
  Continued trace.....Off  Allow interruption..Off  Pause when done.....Off
  Verbose messages.....On
Tracing Options
  Quality:  9
  Bounding boxes.......On  Bounding threshold: 3 
  Light Buffer.........On  Vista Buffer.........On  Draw Vista Buffer...Off
  Antialiasing.........On  (Method 1, Threshold 0.300, Depth 3, Jitter 1.00)
Animation Options
  Clock value....   0.000  (Animation off)
Redirecting Options
  All Streams to console.........Off
  Debug Stream to console.........On
  Fatal Stream to console.........On
  Render Stream to console........On
  Statistics Stream to console....On
  Warning Stream to console.......On

Scene contains 1 frame level objects; 1 infinite.

Statistics for E:\bevel\beveler.pov, Resolution 800 x 600
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pixels:          480800   Samples:          480936   Smpls/Pxl: 1.00
Rays:            480936   Saved:                 0   Max Level: 1/5
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray->Shape Intersection          Tests       Succeeded  Percentage
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Plane                           480936          480936    100.00
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Calls to Noise:                  0   Calls to DNoise:             10
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Smallest Alloc:                 25 bytes   Largest:            36720
Peak memory used:           325091 bytes
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Time For Parse:    0 hours  0 minutes   1.0 seconds (1 seconds)
Time For Trace:    1 hours 47 minutes   1.0 seconds (6421 seconds)
    Total Time:    1 hours 47 minutes   2.0 seconds (6422 seconds)
POV-Ray finished

CPU time used: kernel 2.65 seconds, user 5923.94 seconds, total 5926.59
seconds

ABX


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