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On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:02:38 -0400, "Nicholas DePetrillo"
<N1h### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
>those stupid
>modeling programs liek moray are ...
Hi, Nicholas. Very intriguing image. Could you post your scene
source, complete with any image maps for textures, in the appropriate
group? Since it took only minutes to render we could *all* enjoy
tracing your image on our own machines.
By the way, you may not have realized that Lutz, who is Moray's
author, is a member of the POV-Team. If I may offer a suggestion: it
isn't necessary to make provocative statements to get our attention.
Let your artwork stand on its own merits.
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On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:39:46 -0400, Alexander Enzmann
<xan### [at] mitre org> wrote:
>It could use: shadows, reflection, an IOR other than 1.0 in the crystal,
>and a little A-A. Hmmm, doesn't POV-Ray do those? The texture on the
>band looks remarkably like an environment map - but POV-Ray doesn't do
>that. curious.
Hi, Xander. You are a skeptical fellow, aren't you?
I'd certainly encourage Mr. DePetrillo to post his scene source,
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TonyB wrote:
> > ... and Nicholas' first ocean picture (and animation) looks right like
> > something Arete Image Software (of Titanic fame) could have done...
>
> How did you find the images of " Nicholas' " work?
First, it seemed very strange that someone unable to spell common words
("leik") could be able to produce high-end models and images requiring a
large amount of maths. Also, modelling waves is not what you expect from a
newbie.
His boasting and bragging were also strange for a professional (well...).
I first noticed the similitude of his "ocean" with the one from Arete Image
Software
(a company who specializes in "natural" digital SFX) but I didn't say
anything since
I could not find the "original" and prove it. His other ocean pictures seem
legit.
However, the Rolex was definitely too much, since the model
is sold by Acuris (with exactly the same hour, minutes and seconds ;
see my first post). Also, a Rolex 3D picture with the same
name as his (rolexfr.jpg) was published some time ago by a company
called wedo3D, that seems to be out of business. I couldn't trace
the picture, but my guess is that "Nicholas" just took the picture
and claimed it as his own.
Seems we all learnt a little lesson here, including me :(
All checking was done in Altavista and Lycos.
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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: AWSOME ROLEX WATCH! (debunking explanations)
Date: 23 Apr 1999 06:21:55
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Hmmm, yes, I saw the "model" picture of the watch, ocean picture may be
from somewhere too huh? Well, I don't understand what N.P. may have been
up to, but innocent until proven guilty still holds even for rendering I
suppose. Maybe he's just redoing these, he mentioned the Photoshop
texture-making anyway. And it was rotated 90 degrees (I'm joking now).
Remakes or should I say rerenders of previous things is not anything
new. There just wasn't any mention of self-made or pre-made I think. The
comments seemed to suggest it at first I thought. I like other peoples
stuff a lot sometimes, I redid a pterodactyl animation (well, not exact
duplication) and a still of it as well. I liked it but I didn't leave it
on my web page since I didn't like the idea of starting to do more such
things and filling the web pages with footnotes on who's who. At least I
don't think it's there anymore.
One other image has a BMW car model obtained from 3D Cafe or MeshMart or
some place and the rules for it's use pretty much say freely use so long
as not connected with commercial aspects or some such. Best to keep away
from that if at all possible. But maybe N.P. bought this watch model and
it's royalty free until used to make money off of it.
Well, heck, what am I saying, N.P. can surely defend (that is the right
word, correct? ha-ha) himself, he seems to have the ego and extrovertion
for it.
My apologies to N.P. if any of what I said here is to the contrary.
x_web wrote:
>
> TonyB wrote:
>
> > > ... and Nicholas' first ocean picture (and animation) looks right like
> > > something Arete Image Software (of Titanic fame) could have done...
> >
> > How did you find the images of " Nicholas' " work?
>
> First, it seemed very strange that someone unable to spell common words
> ("leik") could be able to produce high-end models and images requiring a
> large amount of maths. Also, modelling waves is not what you expect from a
> newbie.
> His boasting and bragging were also strange for a professional (well...).
> I first noticed the similitude of his "ocean" with the one from Arete Image
> Software
> (a company who specializes in "natural" digital SFX) but I didn't say
> anything since
> I could not find the "original" and prove it. His other ocean pictures seem
> legit.
> However, the Rolex was definitely too much, since the model
> is sold by Acuris (with exactly the same hour, minutes and seconds ;
> see my first post). Also, a Rolex 3D picture with the same
> name as his (rolexfr.jpg) was published some time ago by a company
> called wedo3D, that seems to be out of business. I couldn't trace
> the picture, but my guess is that "Nicholas" just took the picture
> and claimed it as his own.
> Seems we all learnt a little lesson here, including me :(
> All checking was done in Altavista and Lycos.
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Please it is N.D. My name is N.P. Though my name says portelli, I read
N.P. and see my name.
Nick Portelli.
Bob Hughes wrote:
>
> Hmmm, yes, I saw the "model" picture of the watch, ocean picture may be
> from somewhere too huh? Well, I don't understand what N.P. may have been
> up to, but innocent until proven guilty still holds even for rendering I
> suppose. Maybe he's just redoing these, he mentioned the Photoshop
> texture-making anyway. And it was rotated 90 degrees (I'm joking now).
> Remakes or should I say rerenders of previous things is not anything
> new. There just wasn't any mention of self-made or pre-made I think. The
> comments seemed to suggest it at first I thought. I like other peoples
> stuff a lot sometimes, I redid a pterodactyl animation (well, not exact
> duplication) and a still of it as well. I liked it but I didn't leave it
> on my web page since I didn't like the idea of starting to do more such
> things and filling the web pages with footnotes on who's who. At least I
> don't think it's there anymore.
> One other image has a BMW car model obtained from 3D Cafe or MeshMart or
> some place and the rules for it's use pretty much say freely use so long
> as not connected with commercial aspects or some such. Best to keep away
> from that if at all possible. But maybe N.P. bought this watch model and
> it's royalty free until used to make money off of it.
> Well, heck, what am I saying, N.P. can surely defend (that is the right
> word, correct? ha-ha) himself, he seems to have the ego and extrovertion
> for it.
> My apologies to N.P. if any of what I said here is to the contrary.
>
> x_web wrote:
> >
> > TonyB wrote:
> >
> > > > ... and Nicholas' first ocean picture (and animation) looks right like
> > > > something Arete Image Software (of Titanic fame) could have done...
> > >
> > > How did you find the images of " Nicholas' " work?
> >
> > First, it seemed very strange that someone unable to spell common words
> > ("leik") could be able to produce high-end models and images requiring a
> > large amount of maths. Also, modelling waves is not what you expect from a
> > newbie.
> > His boasting and bragging were also strange for a professional (well...).
> > I first noticed the similitude of his "ocean" with the one from Arete Image
> > Software
> > (a company who specializes in "natural" digital SFX) but I didn't say
> > anything since
> > I could not find the "original" and prove it. His other ocean pictures seem
> > legit.
> > However, the Rolex was definitely too much, since the model
> > is sold by Acuris (with exactly the same hour, minutes and seconds ;
> > see my first post). Also, a Rolex 3D picture with the same
> > name as his (rolexfr.jpg) was published some time ago by a company
> > called wedo3D, that seems to be out of business. I couldn't trace
> > the picture, but my guess is that "Nicholas" just took the picture
> > and claimed it as his own.
> > Seems we all learnt a little lesson here, including me :(
> > All checking was done in Altavista and Lycos.
>
> --
> omniVERSE: beyond the universe
> http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: AWSOME ROLEX WATCH! (debunking explanations)
Date: 23 Apr 1999 18:26:19
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Terribly sorry Nick! Damn my failing memory, I can't read something and
then write it again. Shame on me anyway.
My short term article availablity here is partially to blame, so many
posts and yet N.D. hasn't been seen much throughout.
portelli wrote:
>
> Please it is N.D. My name is N.P. Though my name says portelli, I read
> N.P. and see my name.
> Nick Portelli.
>
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm, yes, I saw the "model" picture of the watch, ocean picture may be
> > from somewhere too huh? Well, I don't understand what N.P. may have been
> > up to, but innocent until proven guilty still holds even for rendering I
> > suppose. Maybe he's just redoing these, he mentioned the Photoshop
> > texture-making anyway. And it was rotated 90 degrees (I'm joking now).
> > Remakes or should I say rerenders of previous things is not anything
> > new. There just wasn't any mention of self-made or pre-made I think. The
> > comments seemed to suggest it at first I thought. I like other peoples
> > stuff a lot sometimes, I redid a pterodactyl animation (well, not exact
> > duplication) and a still of it as well. I liked it but I didn't leave it
> > on my web page since I didn't like the idea of starting to do more such
> > things and filling the web pages with footnotes on who's who. At least I
> > don't think it's there anymore.
> > One other image has a BMW car model obtained from 3D Cafe or MeshMart or
> > some place and the rules for it's use pretty much say freely use so long
> > as not connected with commercial aspects or some such. Best to keep away
> > from that if at all possible. But maybe N.P. bought this watch model and
> > it's royalty free until used to make money off of it.
> > Well, heck, what am I saying, N.P. can surely defend (that is the right
> > word, correct? ha-ha) himself, he seems to have the ego and extrovertion
> > for it.
> > My apologies to N.P. if any of what I said here is to the contrary.
> >
> > x_web wrote:
> > >
> > > TonyB wrote:
> > >
> > > > > ... and Nicholas' first ocean picture (and animation) looks right like
> > > > > something Arete Image Software (of Titanic fame) could have done...
> > > >
> > > > How did you find the images of " Nicholas' " work?
> > >
> > > First, it seemed very strange that someone unable to spell common words
> > > ("leik") could be able to produce high-end models and images requiring a
> > > large amount of maths. Also, modelling waves is not what you expect from a
> > > newbie.
> > > His boasting and bragging were also strange for a professional (well...).
> > > I first noticed the similitude of his "ocean" with the one from Arete Image
> > > Software
> > > (a company who specializes in "natural" digital SFX) but I didn't say
> > > anything since
> > > I could not find the "original" and prove it. His other ocean pictures seem
> > > legit.
> > > However, the Rolex was definitely too much, since the model
> > > is sold by Acuris (with exactly the same hour, minutes and seconds ;
> > > see my first post). Also, a Rolex 3D picture with the same
> > > name as his (rolexfr.jpg) was published some time ago by a company
> > > called wedo3D, that seems to be out of business. I couldn't trace
> > > the picture, but my guess is that "Nicholas" just took the picture
> > > and claimed it as his own.
> > > Seems we all learnt a little lesson here, including me :(
> > > All checking was done in Altavista and Lycos.
> >
> > --
> > omniVERSE: beyond the universe
> > http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
> > mailto:inv### [at] aol com?Subject=PoV-News
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He is a doomed cheater, that image has not had anything to do with povray!!!
The pinched mesh is the furst clue, the second is the lack of AA but its not
as grainy as POVray spits out without (and not as blurry as if resized in a
pait program), next is the textures, hmm thats enviroment mapping if i ever
saw it, funny how thats not in POVray's book of tricks.
I have recently been chating with Nick via email about his water scene, and
apart from claiming to have done it using a very complcated math' formular
would not say anymore, not even on the technique he used in getting povray
to animate a HF.
As to Moray, I use it solidly, as do a lot of people here, it is a fine
tool.
AND ZAS TO THE ATTITUDE AND CAPPY SPELINMG (sorry!!) how dose one grasp very
advanced math with out being able to spell most 4 letter words??
this guy is filtered, full stop.
Rick
x_web <x_w### [at] acuris com> wrote in message
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> Funny how your watch is very similar to the one from Acuris...
> http://www.acuris.com/acumodel/bigpictr/rolexb.htm
> You even got the hands right on time !
> Sure you did it in povray ?
>
> Original Acuris model below :
>
>
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Rick wrote:
> He is a doomed cheater, that image has not had anything to do with povray!!!
>
> The pinched mesh is the furst clue, the second is the lack of AA but its not
> as grainy as POVray spits out without (and not as blurry as if resized in a
> pait program), next is the textures, hmm thats enviroment mapping if i ever
> saw it, funny how thats not in POVray's book of tricks.
>
> I have recently been chating with Nick via email about his water scene, and
> apart from claiming to have done it using a very complcated math' formular
> would not say anymore, not even on the technique he used in getting povray
> to animate a HF.
>
> As to Moray, I use it solidly, as do a lot of people here, it is a fine
> tool.
I agree!
>
>
> AND ZAS TO THE ATTITUDE AND CAPPY SPELINMG (sorry!!) how dose one grasp very
> advanced math with out being able to spell most 4 letter words??
>
> this guy is filtered, full stop.
>
> Rick
>
> x_web <x_w### [at] acuris com> wrote in message
> news:371F1D38.226D9617@acuris.com...
> > Funny how your watch is very similar to the one from Acuris...
> > http://www.acuris.com/acumodel/bigpictr/rolexb.htm
> > You even got the hands right on time !
> > Sure you did it in povray ?
> >
> > Original Acuris model below :
> >
> >
> >
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Alan Kong wrote:
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> Hi, Xander. You are a skeptical fellow, aren't you?
>
> I'd certainly encourage Mr. DePetrillo to post his scene source,
> complete with any necessary image maps, in the appropriate group.
I'm surprised that so many people here are still asking for source
code; the scanline (I suspect 3DS) nature of that watch is obvious, no ?
If it was made with Pov :
- there would be no environnement-mapping
- the watch would reflect itself and the black surrounding
- given the lighting, the watch would cast a shadow on itself...
Cheers,
Fabien.
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You're a lie and a cheat. We all know it.. Anyone who would like to ask for
the evidence, just zap an email on over, and I'll send it to you..
Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> This watch was made over a period of 4 days! while i was postign and
> discussing my ocean scenes!
> Anyway i was given a nice watch just liek this 3 days ago and started to try
> to make it in a modeling program but couldnt get it right 9those stupid
> modeling programs liek moray are shit! they cant do crap ya know!) andywa i
> looekd to my old friend math for helpo and what do ya knowl...Look what i
> made! he he he!
>
> The inside texture is made in photoshoip after my real watch!
>
> TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK AND IF I HAVE A FUTURE IN POV RAY REALISM?
> For more of my work look at the ocean picture below ion this newsgroup by me
> Nicholas DePetrillo
>
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> N1h### [at] home com
>
> [Image]
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