Scott McDonald wrote:
> 
> incorporating some suggestions from denizens of p.b.i and from friends
> at work, my getting close to being happy with and finishing tribute to
> pulp magazines and imaginary worlds.

I think the individual changes you have made have contributed
to a great improvement form the first.

I would like to offer a couple more suggestions for you to entertain.

Firstly:

The sky (in my opinion) needs a different color and a little
more work. It blends a little too smoothly with the rest of
the scene and a little contrast would help the viewer focus
more on the key elements.
 The "clouds" could use a little more work as well as they
appear like they have been painted on the sky. For a great
tutorial on making realistic skies with Pov-Ray I suggest
you take a look at Mike's "skies and water" tutorial at:

http://members.xoom.com/POVRAY3/

Secondly:

It has been discussed in the i.r.t.c. groups here on this server
about whether it is a good dicission to preview your work here
before the judging of the competition starts. Some feel it might
give unfair advantage from early exposure ( I disagree) and others
feel you may be harming yourself, by giving it too much exposure,
and risk getting a lower share of points. The reason for the last
view point is that people while initially impressed by an image will
become bored after seeing it a few times and may not give as high
a score as they might otherwise have.

It might be a good idea if you check out the i.r.t.c. groups 
and read through the discussions. Then you can judge for yourself
what you feel about this practice. Personaly I would judge your
image by it's merits alone and not by when or where I have seen
it. Unfortunatly for you I am not the majority of the people.

-- 
Ken Tyler

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> about whether it is a good dicission to preview your work here
> before the judging of the competition starts. Some feel it might
> give unfair advantage from early exposure ( I disagree) and others
> feel you may be harming yourself, by giving it too much exposure,

ah.  forget it, i'll scrap it now then.  didn'trealize that.

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Scott McDonald wrote:
> 
> > about whether it is a good dicission to preview your work here
> > before the judging of the competition starts. Some feel it might
> > give unfair advantage from early exposure ( I disagree) and others
> > feel you may be harming yourself, by giving it too much exposure,
> 
> ah.  forget it, i'll scrap it now then.  didn'trealize that.

Easy there Scott :)

I didn't mean to scare you off. I just thought it was something
to think about. Remember these are just personal opinions and
it's also true that not everyone that enters and/or judges the
contest even frequent these groups. I take the stand that where
ever possible in a contest it's best to stack the deck in your
own favor. I would like to think that opinions like I outlined
before don't happen at all but you just never know when humans
are involved.


-- 
Ken Tyler

tyl### [at] pacbellnet

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> I didn't mean to scare you off. I just thought it was something
> to think about. Remember these are just personal opinions and

<shrug> i already knew i had no chance of winning anyways, and my stuff
is nowhere near the caliber of most of the posts in this group so i'
removed 'em.

and now my modeller isn't working right so why bother.

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Eh?  Man, I have to dissagree here...I really liked your work.  Anyhow,
is winning the IRTC your only reason to enter?  I haven't gotten better
than 50th, but I benefitted from the comments and critiques as well as
feeling pretty darned good about making 50th.  (That was in a round of
200 or so)  I sure hope you at least keep working on it.  Your early
work is too good to give up now...if only we could all spend as much
time as Ken on this stuff:)  

Stephen
(not "an" Ken... just a comment)

Scott McDonald wrote:
> 
> > I didn't mean to scare you off. I just thought it was something
> > to think about. Remember these are just personal opinions and
> 
> <shrug> i already knew i had no chance of winning anyways, and my stuff
> is nowhere near the caliber of most of the posts in this group so i'
> removed 'em.
> 
> and now my modeller isn't working right so why bother.

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Scott McDonald wrote:
> 
> > about whether it is a good dicission to preview your work here
> > before the judging of the competition starts. Some feel it might
> > give unfair advantage from early exposure ( I disagree) and others
> > feel you may be harming yourself, by giving it too much exposure,
> 
> ah.  forget it, i'll scrap it now then.  didn'trealize that.

Don't do that!  It does have the makings of a competitive image.  While the
thing Ken warns about can happen, I don't think that it bothers most judges, and
I know that at least one IRTC first place winner was previewed for critique
before it was entered.  IRTC is about making good images and showing others your
work and above all learning to be a better tracer.  "Winning", while nice, is or
should be a secondary consideration.  Many regular entrants have never even come
close to winning, but they have become far better at tracing and had a lot of
fun as well.

Jerry Anning
cle### [at] dholcom

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Scott McDonald wrote:
> 
> > I didn't mean to scare you off. I just thought it was something
> > to think about. Remember these are just personal opinions and
> 
> <shrug> i already knew i had no chance of winning anyways, and my stuff
> is nowhere near the caliber of most of the posts in this group so i'
> removed 'em.

Now I'm feeling really guilty that I even brought it up.
That will teach me to open my big mouth on this subject again.

I'm sorry.

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Ken Tyler

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Ken wrote:
> and risk getting a lower share of points. The reason for the last
> view point is that people while initially impressed by an image will
> become bored after seeing it a few times and may not give as high
> a score as they might otherwise have.

You can delete your own images once they're uploaded can't you? Maybe
you could put an image up for a day, giving enough time for one or two
people to offer some advice, then take the image down, not to reappear
until the IRTC deadline.

Just a thought.
	
	Graham.

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Graham Redway schrieb in Nachricht
<36B7408F.6AD65B8C@redways.freeserve.co.uk>...
>Ken wrote:
>> and risk getting a lower share of points. The reason for the last
>> view point is that people while initially impressed by an image will
>> become bored after seeing it a few times and may not give as high
>> a score as they might otherwise have.
>
>You can delete your own images once they're uploaded can't you? Maybe
>you could put an image up for a day, giving enough time for one or two
>people to offer some advice, then take the image down, not to reappear
>until the IRTC deadline.


I think, that's what happened. I was cut off from this NG for a few days
-( , and I can't find it anywhere, only the Re by Ken.

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Rudy Velthuis

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