I know that feature requests are typically rejected, but it's only a
small addition to the interface.. could we get a keyboard shortcut for
the Save As... command? (I refer to the Mac version; other versions may
or may not already have that functionality.)

-Xplo

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Xplo Eristotle wrote:
> 
> I know that feature requests are typically rejected, but it's only a
> small addition to the interface.. could we get a keyboard shortcut for
> the Save As... command? (I refer to the Mac version; other versions may
> or may not already have that functionality.)

Please try to make your subject line descriptive of the request. This
request is not out of line but if you want to get Thosten's attention
you need to make sure the subject line will get his attention (See
change in subject line)

-- 
Ken Tyler - POV-Ray Technical Assistance Group

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In article <3B96F6EA.FFC4994B@unforgettable.com> , Xplo Eristotle 
<inq### [at] unforgettablecom>  wrote:

> I know that feature requests are typically rejected, but it's only a
> small addition to the interface.. could we get a keyboard shortcut for
> the Save As... command? (I refer to the Mac version; other versions may
> or may not already have that functionality.)

You are aware that "Save as" in no (good) Mac application* has a keyboard
shortcut?  Thus, sorry, it won't be added.


    Thorsten


*  There are reasons as described in the Apple HIG behind not having
shortcuts for "Save as", but I don't want to get into a discussion about
those.

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> 
> In article <3B96F6EA.FFC4994B@unforgettable.com> , Xplo Eristotle
> <inq### [at] unforgettablecom>  wrote:
> 
> > I know that feature requests are typically rejected, but it's only a
> > small addition to the interface.. could we get a keyboard shortcut for
> > the Save As... command? (I refer to the Mac version; other versions may
> > or may not already have that functionality.)
> 
> You are aware that "Save as" in no (good) Mac application* has a keyboard
> shortcut?  Thus, sorry, it won't be added.
> 
>     Thorsten
> 
> *  There are reasons as described in the Apple HIG behind not having
> shortcuts for "Save as", but I don't want to get into a discussion about
> those.

Excuse me, but I can find nothing in the HIG that suggests this, either
specifically or in the form of general design policy, except for a note
at the end of the section on keyboard equivalents where the HIG says,
"Don't assign keyboard equivalents for infrequently used menu commands.
Add keyboard equivalents only for the commands your users employ most
frequently," and since I do, in fact, use "Save As..." frequently (in
order to preserve earlier or alternate versions of my scenes), I don't
see how this applies.

If you're going to use the HIG to explain why a common interface
convention that makes the software more convenient should *not* be
included, I'd like to know what part of it says so, if it's not too much trouble.

-Xplo

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote in message <3b978f25$1@news.povray.org>...
>In article <3B96F6EA.FFC4994B@unforgettable.com> , Xplo Eristotle
><inq### [at] unforgettablecom>  wrote:
>> could we get a keyboard shortcut for
>> the Save As... command

>You are aware that "Save as" in no (good) Mac application* has a keyboard
>shortcut?  Thus, sorry, it won't be added.


Xplo,

It's been a while since I last did any resource editing in MacOS, but if I
remember correctly, you can open the MegaPOV executable in ResEdit, open the
MENU resource corresponding to the File menu, and add a keyboard shortcut to
the "Save As" command yourself.

--
Mark

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Xplo Eristotle wrote:

> If you're going to use the HIG to explain why a common interface
> convention that makes the software more convenient should *not* be
> included, I'd like to know what part of it says so, if it's not too much trouble.

Doesn't the "ressources" system provide a way to create your own
shortcuts at will ?

Fabien.

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Mark Wagner wrote:
> 
> Thorsten Froehlich wrote in message <3b978f25$1@news.povray.org>...
> >In article <3B96F6EA.FFC4994B@unforgettable.com> , Xplo Eristotle
> ><inq### [at] unforgettablecom>  wrote:
> >> could we get a keyboard shortcut for
> >> the Save As... command
> 
> >You are aware that "Save as" in no (good) Mac application* has a keyboard
> >shortcut?  Thus, sorry, it won't be added.
> 
> Xplo,
> 
> It's been a while since I last did any resource editing in MacOS, but if I
> remember correctly, you can open the MegaPOV executable in ResEdit, open the
> MENU resource corresponding to the File menu, and add a keyboard shortcut to
> the "Save As" command yourself.

As I recall, it's not that easy these days, but I will look into it.
Maybe the resource changes were only for Finder menus.

It would seem to make more sense for the programmer to change the code
once rather than force the users to change it every time someone
downloads it, but I guess as long as Thorsten believes that Thou Shalt
Not Add Keyboard Shortcuts I don't have much choice.

-Xplo

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Xplo Eristotle <inq### [at] unforgettablecom> wrote:
: It would seem to make more sense for the programmer to change the code
: once rather than force the users to change it every time someone
: downloads it, but I guess as long as Thorsten believes that Thou Shalt
: Not Add Keyboard Shortcuts I don't have much choice.

  If I were you, I would revise my attitude.

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In article <3B983291.B0B04B65@unforgettable.com> , Xplo Eristotle 
<inq### [at] unforgettablecom>  wrote:

> If you're going to use the HIG to explain why a common interface
> convention that makes the software more convenient should *not* be
> included, I'd like to know what part of it says so, if it's not too
> much trouble.

If you read through it all, plus through the research based books the Apple
HI research group wrote you will find that there is only one reason why
there are keyboard shortcuts at all.  And they are not in there because they
is more convenient ... but I said I do not want into this discussion.  You
won't believe the true reason anyway.

    Thorsten

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In article <3B9866BC.29D96A02@unforgettable.com> , Xplo Eristotle 
<inq### [at] unforgettablecom>  wrote:

> It would seem to make more sense for the programmer to change the code
> once rather than force the users to change it every time someone
> downloads it, but I guess as long as Thorsten believes that Thou Shalt
> Not Add Keyboard Shortcuts I don't have much choice.

OK, that is it!  You know, you think you are an "expert user" and in reality
have no clue, yet you keep complaining for no reason other than it seems to
be fun to get back at developers (and no big company would even bother to
reply).

You know why there aren't keyboard shortcuts for everything, and in fact
there don't need to be keyboard shortcuts at all?  It is because they are
effectively _slower_ than using the mouse.  Users wouldn't believe it (so
maybe they are stupid after all? ;-) and Apple had to put them in just to
keep people quiet.  Nevertheless, they are completely inefficient!  So,
please stop this nonsense discussion now.  If you don't like how the program
works, don't use it.


    Thorsten


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