where does it say 'extended edit'?  try to be as specific as possible so
i can change it in the next version.  also, i hadn't realized when i did
the screen captures that my desktop colors were that different from
windows standard colors.  do you find the images hard to read
(yes/no/hadn't noticed)?  also, are there any other comments you have
about the help system?  is it complete?  are there tutorials you'd like
to see that aren't in there?

thanks,
ryan

MR wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> well i'm not batting too well here.  i'm running thru the moray
> tutorial in the povray docs for bicubic patches, and it tells me
> to click the "extended edit" at the bottom of the moray window
> after i've created the very beginning of a bezier patch.
> 
> i don't see that anywhere.  i've looked down at the very bottom,
> and then at the bottom of each of the create, modify, select,
> and edit tabs that sit to the right of the screen.
> 
> any help would be appreciated.
> 
> thank you, miker

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hi ryan,

are you the pov-ray docs person?  please note that my comments
are on the POV-RAY tutorial for moray.  its halfway down page 26
of the pov-ray 3.1g user documentation dated may 1999.  its also
2.4.1 Bicubic Patch Object.

i posted here for help...  i was not posting a suspected documentation
error, although i guess its turned into that.  to be honest with you,
there are several discrepancies.  there is no "ufrm scl" in the
transformation box either.

and if this is a total first user intro to moray (as it should be.
otherwise, you need to state in the docs that a person needs to
take the time to run thru all the tutorials.  then you can just dispense
with the whole section and say "go to moray and make patches"),
then the part at the bottom of p.26 about "go make a texture" is
not even close to jump-starting a beginner.

none of this is a big deal.  as most programmers, i'm used to
this sort of incorrect instruction with severe knowledge gaps
in it.  i'm merely going to run thru the moray tutorials first, and
then come back to the pov-ray bicubic patch tutorial with a bit
more knowledge.  the only kicker is that i'm trying to learn pov-
ray, not moray, but its starting to become apparent that a third
party patch or mesh maker is pretty much standard ancillary
software for using pov-ray.

thanks, miker


"Ryan Constantine" <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:3BBAA42D.9CA9BB7E@yahoo.com...
> where does it say 'extended edit'?  try to be as specific as possible so
> i can change it in the next version.  also, i hadn't realized when i did
> the screen captures that my desktop colors were that different from
> windows standard colors.  do you find the images hard to read
> (yes/no/hadn't noticed)?  also, are there any other comments you have
> about the help system?  is it complete?  are there tutorials you'd like
> to see that aren't in there?
>
> thanks,
> ryan
>
> MR wrote:
> >
> > hello,
> >
> > well i'm not batting too well here.  i'm running thru the moray
> > tutorial in the povray docs for bicubic patches, and it tells me
> > to click the "extended edit" at the bottom of the moray window
> > after i've created the very beginning of a bezier patch.
> >
> > i don't see that anywhere.  i've looked down at the very bottom,
> > and then at the bottom of each of the create, modify, select,
> > and edit tabs that sit to the right of the screen.
> >
> > any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > thank you, miker

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Txemi Jendrix wrote in message <3bb9179f@news.povray.org>...

>Anyway, I've never managed myself to work with that Moray's feature.
>Instead of that, I first used sPatch and later Hamapatch to make
bicubic
>patches (Hamapatch is much more complete and under current
development, I
>can't live without it ;-).

Couldn't agree with you more! Between them - Moray, HamaPatch and
3dWin - there's a lot of power. I too really love HamaPatch
(especially with the AmLoft plugin) - it's simply superb for sketch
(and organic) work (even, funnily enough, for architectural sketch
designs, which is what I use it for). Even more, screenshots of it in
action can be used (with some help from Gimp) for nice pencil-sketch
drawing looks. The only thing really lacking in it (for me) is CSG.

Regards,
-Anoop

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> >Anyway, I've never managed myself to work with that Moray's feature.
> >Instead of that, I first used sPatch and later Hamapatch to make
> bicubic
> >patches (Hamapatch is much more complete and under current
> development, I
> >can't live without it ;-).
> 
> Couldn't agree with you more! Between them - Moray, HamaPatch and
> 3dWin - there's a lot of power. I too really love HamaPatch
> (especially with the AmLoft plugin)

Plugin?  Where can I find it, and what does it do?

Bye for now,
     jamie.

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> > (especially with the AmLoft plugin)
>
> Plugin?  Where can I find it, and what does it do?

Hi Jamie:

You can find the AmLoft utility (it's an utility, not a plugin) in the
plugins and utilities link in this page:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~hamapatch/

About what do it does:
AmLoft is an external utility allowing for the use of lofting commands such
as: Splice, Skin, Revolve, Extrude, Single Rail Loft and Double Rail Loft.
To use this you must export your guiding structures to Animation Master
format and then import the new Animation Master file back into hamaPatch (it
is worth it for some features).

In the utilities page you can find other interesting utility called IOB
Object Browser, which convert 3DS and IOB files to Animation Master MDL
format for use in hamaPatch.

Hope this helps.
--
Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] euskalnetnet
http://www.geocities.com/txemijendrix

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news:3bbb541e@news.povray.org...
> Couldn't agree with you more! Between them - Moray, HamaPatch and
> 3dWin - there's a lot of power.

You have another freeware solution (actually the one I use right now)
called:
Hamapatch and Poseray (about this last one, the last version was sent by its
author to p.b.u. recently)

>The only thing really lacking in it (for me) is CSG.

Perhaps in the future, who knows.

See you.

--
Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] euskalnetnet
http://www.geocities.com/txemijendrix

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MR wrote in message <3bbb0370$1@news.povray.org>...
>hi ryan,
>
>are you the pov-ray docs person?  please note that my comments
>are on the POV-RAY tutorial for moray.  its halfway down page 26
>of the pov-ray 3.1g user documentation dated may 1999.  its also
>2.4.1 Bicubic Patch Object.
>
>i posted here for help...  i was not posting a suspected
documentation
>error, although i guess its turned into that.  to be honest with you,
>there are several discrepancies.  there is no "ufrm scl" in the
>transformation box either.

I think the problem is that those docs were (AFAIK) written for Moray,
DOS. And, of course, quite a few things have changed since then. The
'ufrm scl' thus should be 'uniform scale' ...

The docs have been updated in pov3.5.; maybe you can take a look at
it.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Anoop

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Txemi Jendrix wrote in message <3bbb7c4d$1@news.povray.org>...
>You have another freeware solution (actually the one I use right now)
>called:
>Hamapatch and Poseray (about this last one, the last version was sent
by its
>author to p.b.u. recently)

Have you tried Lithiumunwrap? It's like uvmapper, but reads/writes
more formats and has 3dviewing options besides stuff like scaling the
map etc. Doesn't output to Moray directly, though (you'd have to do it
thru some other converter.
Does Moray support uvmapping? Last I heard it didn't.

>>The only thing really lacking in it (for me) is CSG.
>
>Perhaps in the future, who knows.

Wow, that would be something! Would you be knowing something about
this? Even if they don't something tells me that the greyed button for
mesh2 saving will soon become active. Then we could do the CSG after
exporting to Pov-Ray!

Regards,
Anoop

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sorry i haven't got back to you before now.  i used to think i was busy,
but now i know what busy really is!  i thought you were referring to the
tutorials in the moray help system, not the povray help system.  i did
moray's help.  reworked it really.  most of the text was there from
before.  anyway, have you looked at moray's own tutorials in the help
file?  it would probably help.

anoop wrote:
> 
> MR wrote in message <3bbb0370$1@news.povray.org>...
> >hi ryan,
> >
> >are you the pov-ray docs person?  please note that my comments
> >are on the POV-RAY tutorial for moray.  its halfway down page 26
> >of the pov-ray 3.1g user documentation dated may 1999.  its also
> >2.4.1 Bicubic Patch Object.
> >
> >i posted here for help...  i was not posting a suspected
> documentation
> >error, although i guess its turned into that.  to be honest with you,
> >there are several discrepancies.  there is no "ufrm scl" in the
> >transformation box either.
> 
> I think the problem is that those docs were (AFAIK) written for Moray,
> DOS. And, of course, quite a few things have changed since then. The
> 'ufrm scl' thus should be 'uniform scale' ...
> 
> The docs have been updated in pov3.5.; maybe you can take a look at
> it.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> Anoop

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i have gone thru several of moray's tutorials.  they handle a
potentially confusing and complex subject in a clear, concise,
and easily understandable manner.  are you from earth?

miker


"Ryan Constantine" <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:3BC64404.6EEFDF8E@yahoo.com...
> sorry i haven't got back to you before now.  i used to think i was busy,
> but now i know what busy really is!  i thought you were referring to the
> tutorials in the moray help system, not the povray help system.  i did
> moray's help.  reworked it really.  most of the text was there from
> before.  anyway, have you looked at moray's own tutorials in the help
> file?  it would probably help.
>
> anoop wrote:
> >
> > MR wrote in message <3bbb0370$1@news.povray.org>...
> > >hi ryan,
> > >
> > >are you the pov-ray docs person?  please note that my comments
> > >are on the POV-RAY tutorial for moray.  its halfway down page 26
> > >of the pov-ray 3.1g user documentation dated may 1999.  its also
> > >2.4.1 Bicubic Patch Object.
> > >
> > >i posted here for help...  i was not posting a suspected
> > documentation
> > >error, although i guess its turned into that.  to be honest with you,
> > >there are several discrepancies.  there is no "ufrm scl" in the
> > >transformation box either.
> >
> > I think the problem is that those docs were (AFAIK) written for Moray,
> > DOS. And, of course, quite a few things have changed since then. The
> > 'ufrm scl' thus should be 'uniform scale' ...
> >
> > The docs have been updated in pov3.5.; maybe you can take a look at
> > it.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Anoop

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