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<sorry, ryan, I think I mailed this to you rather than posting it! - oops>
While we're on the topic...
I've found the way Moray works with manipulating an object's local
coordinates to be quite clumsy using the button to differentiate between
modes. Could that be switched to a radio button? Or better yet, a whole
separate tab area?
On the same topic... could you have the local coords highlight along with
the object that is currently selected? This would help tremendously with
differentiating while manipulating (too many big words... ooh, my achin'
head...) the object's local coords. Helps out with that all important
"Instant Visual Feedback" thing.
Comments? Discussion?
REALLY cool program, BTW!
-Kelly (kla### [at] usa com)
ryan constantine <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:<39473F0D.DE8C7760@yahoo.com>...
> 1) double clicking of an object in the modify tab 'children' window to
> select that object.
>
> 2) any value allowed for any setting (with a warning telling us it is
> outside official pov's range)
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Hi K. Lasse, you recently wrote in moray.win:
> I've found the way Moray works with manipulating an object's local
> coordinates to be quite clumsy using the button to differentiate between
> modes. Could that be switched to a radio button?
Can you explain in a bit more detail why you fell it is clumsy? And
the Local Coordinates button already is a Radio Button.... so I'm not
sure what you mean. I know that it is difficult to use if you are
typing in values, but if you use the mouse, it should be very
intuitive.
> On the same topic... could you have the local coords highlight along with
> the object that is currently selected?
That is a good idea. I will note this for a future version.
- Lutz
email : lut### [at] stmuccom
Web : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
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> That is a good idea. I will note this for a future version.
out of interest, what else does your 'at some point it would be nice to...'
contain :)
i am not asking for the full list to be in the next version or anything, it
would just be nice to know what ideas you have
Rick
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Hi Rick, you recently wrote in moray.win:
> out of interest, what else does your 'at some point it would be nice to...'
> contain :)
Hmmm. I'm very reluctant to go into any sort of detail or to post some
sort of list..... but OK, here's a small teaser. The next version will
have an improved redraw (no disappearing cubes in the 3D views),
colors for the wireframe and will support a concept some modellers
call layers. We're hoping to improve the texture library and add some
other non-trivial features<g>.
- Lutz
email : lut### [at] stmuccom
Web : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
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Good!! Very Good!
Fabian.
>
> Hi Rick, you recently wrote in moray.win:
>
> > out of interest, what else does your 'at some point it would be nice to...'
> > contain :)
> Hmmm. I'm very reluctant to go into any sort of detail or to post some
> sort of list..... but OK, here's a small teaser. The next version will
> have an improved redraw (no disappearing cubes in the 3D views),
> colors for the wireframe and will support a concept some modellers
> call layers. We're hoping to improve the texture library and add some
> other non-trivial features<g>.
>
> - Lutz
> email : lut### [at] stmuccom
> Web : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
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Lutz,
I would be happy to explain some more about the difficulty I've been having
with local coordinates - and the problem may be entirely mine. You see I'm
currently playing around with a windows interface changer - Window Blinds
1.2. This changes the standard buttons, borders and such of Windows to a
variety of fancy options. It looks pretty cool, but it has one minor
difficulty when it comes to Moray. The button (you say its a radio button?
On mine - WInNT4 - its just a regular push-button, such as the standard
"okay" or "cancel" buttons) doesn't give clear feedback as to whether its on
or off. Thus I never quite know whether I'm in regular mode or coords mode.
Like I said, however, this is mostly the fault of Window Blinds. This is why
I'm requesting a more clear differentiation - like a regular radio button -
better yet, a separate tab - to work with the local coords of an object.
BTW, I'm pretty new to Moray - still very low on the learning curve. I'd
seen it in the past, but the animation plugin is what caught my attention
this time. My thanks to you and to Xander for your great work on this
promising feature.
I come to Moray from the CAD world - primarily AutoCAD. There are a ton of
things that AutoCAD can do (with its solid modeling features) - such as
on-the-fly object node snaps - that would greatly enhance Moray if similar
features were added. I would be more than happy to expound on some of these
if you're interested in at least hearing about them. I'm not a programmer,
so I've got little inkling as to the enormity of the task of adding a
"feature" to a complex software package such as Moray - forgive me...
Lutz Kretzschmar <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote in message
news:tturkss73mujut4l7hf27od0bbmgkq4bqa@4ax.com...
> Hi K. Lasse, you recently wrote in moray.win:
>
> > I've found the way Moray works with manipulating an object's local
> > coordinates to be quite clumsy using the button to differentiate between
> > modes. Could that be switched to a radio button?
> Can you explain in a bit more detail why you fell it is clumsy? And
> the Local Coordinates button already is a Radio Button.... so I'm not
> sure what you mean. I know that it is difficult to use if you are
> typing in values, but if you use the mouse, it should be very
> intuitive.
>
> > On the same topic... could you have the local coords highlight along
with
> > the object that is currently selected?
> That is a good idea. I will note this for a future version.
>
> - Lutz
> email : lut### [at] stmuccom
> Web : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
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Lutz Kretzschmar <lut### [at] stmuccom> skrev i artikkelen
<tturkss73mujut4l7hf27od0bbmgkq4bqa@4ax.com>...
> > On the same topic... could you have the local coords highlight along
with
> > the object that is currently selected?
> That is a good idea. I will note this for a future version.
>
Another one along the same lines: It would be very nice if the image map
marker (green) was highlighted when an object with image map is
highlighted, because when positioning/scaling image maps it is not always
obviuos which map goes with which object.
--
Hans Petter Birkeland
han### [at] c2inet
http://home.c2i.net/hanspb/
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> Hmmm. I'm very reluctant to go into any sort of detail or to post some
> sort of list..... but OK, here's a small teaser.
I wasnt after a promise set in stone, or featutres you were planning on
adding (altho the ones you mentioned are top draw stuff!), just what little
bits you would like, if you had the time and inclination :) but i know what
you mean about being reluctant !!
btw dont forget a few trivial bits, moray is damn amazing as it stands, and
its ofter the little things that make it stand out further
but here's my little wish list all the same! - remeber i dont actually
expect to ever have these implamented, and my enjoyment of your fine product
will not decrease! (also most of these are plugin material anyhow!!)
one-click uploading of scenes to the online moray model library, and of
course an internal browser of online models - sort of import from the web..
ability to render a scene without all object having textures, you are warned
that not everything has a tex, and asked if you would like to continue,
obj's without a tex are then just not exported.
different windows layouts, ala 3d studio
a 3d ruler or measuring tape line you can drag about , measures the pov
units between objects or points
fully visual basic compatable plug in sdk (with vb sample), then i wont be
asking for new features, i will be adding them!!
model browser - kinda like the image browser in psp showing the camera view
as you last saved it.
inbuilt model read me files, so i can add some 'about' text to a model that
dose not display on my moray be default, but is displayed on all other
copies (everyone elses) by default when its loaded.
online auto plug in update check
x,y,z motion on-off buttons
a crib sheet with all the interesting little shift click features!
more shift clicking!
object drop with collision detection, eg, i build my scene, a bowl, then a
create a sphere above the bowl, and i can the 'drop it' moray will place it
in the bowl at the best point, and again and again, that will make doing
stacks of non intersecting objects a dream!!
and on and on and on and on....
just remeber i DONT ever expect to see these features in future versions,
and will not miss them, if there not added - chances are in 30 mins i will
have forgotten my wish list anyhow - except the vb sdk - there i nothing
more i would rather do when i should be working than adding pointless and
whimsickle add ons to moray !
Rick
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Hi K. Lasse, you recently wrote in moray.win:
> I would be happy to explain some more about the difficulty I've been having
> .......
> Like I said, however, this is mostly the fault of Window Blinds.
Yes, it does sound like it. There's no missing the state with the
regular UI.
> better yet, a separate tab - to work with the local coords of an object.
Ouch, that would create a whole lot of other headaches. And then you'd
have to look at the top of the tabs to see whether you're in local or
global mode.
> I would be more than happy to expound on some of these if you're
> interested in at least hearing about them.
Absolutely, please feel free to post suggestions for features, etc.
- Lutz
email : lut### [at] stmuccom
Web : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
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Lutz Kretzschmar <lut### [at] stmuccom> wrote in message
news:06d1lsok316cotu3bvljlun8osf8ibqals@4ax.com...
> > better yet, a separate tab - to work with the local coords of an object.
> Ouch, that would create a whole lot of other headaches. And then you'd
> have to look at the top of the tabs to see whether you're in local or
> global mode.
Yeah, you're probably right that another tab might be too much...
> Absolutely, please feel free to post suggestions for features, etc.
There are two features that would help speed up modeling significantly. The
first, as I've mentioned, is running object snap modes. To allow the user to
manipulate objects using existing geometry as reference points is tons
easier than having to always come back to the global coordinate system to
make these manipulations. It helps in two ways: accuracy and speed. I know
accuracy is not so important, but the speed benefits are really tremendous.
For example, say I wanted to scale a sphere to the same diameter of a cube's
width. Rather than having to locate the sphere properly by typing coords,
going back to check the actual size of the cube and then type in the
appropriate diameter, I could merely reference the quadrant of the sphere
and snap to the endpoint of the edge of the cube - boom, its done. (Yes,
this is a little simplified, but you get the idea.) If you operate on the
idea that geometry's relation to itself is more important than its relation
to a global scale or coordinate system while modeling, its easier. You can
always come back and scale it as desired later. And this size accuracy is
really only important in CAD, isn't it? - not so much in the
visually-oriented field of rendering. Relational size, however, is always
important.
Some snap modes could include: endpoint, midpoint, intersection, center,
quadrant, tangent, perpendicular, and nearest. (These are some of the
mainstays in AutoCAD.)
The other feature is what I call slicing. If you could add the ability to
simply slice any primitive along any 2D plane, breaking it into two separate
entities, this would be quite handy for modeling. I realize that you can
already do this, albeit in a roundabout way, with CSGs. What I'm talking
about here is a shortcut way to turn primitives into more complex entities
outside of the CSG method (tho it doubtlessly would be used in conjunction
with it as the modeler desired/required). If this feature is to be
implemented, tho, it needs to be done with efficiency as a high priority.
Ways that the user could define the slicing plane include entering 3 points
(yet another area where the snap modes above could be very useful),
selecting a face of existing geometry, or simply defining an offset of the
three existing x, y and z planes.
Adding slicing along curved surfaces would facilitate fillets and chamfers.
Adding slicing along any bezier patch, if even possible, could add some
interesting capability.
While I'm throwing in thots, how about expanding the extrude entity by
allowing extruding of the 2D outline along a 3D line/spline path, or the
edge of a primitive or entity?
Just some thots,
-Kelly (kla### [at] usacom)
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