I am wondering...
...in my eyes, the recent IRTC entry 3archi.jpg from crush74design
violates the rules in two ways:

First, the image seems not to be made for the IRTC, but, as the
3archi.txt says: "just another work for school".
Second, the images looks very much like a post-processed photoshop
collage of several views of two buildings.

What's happening? Doesn't anyone check the entries at least for a
general compliance to the rules before they are posted?

Johannes.

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Johannes Hubert wrote:
> 
> I am wondering...
> ...in my eyes, the recent IRTC entry 3archi.jpg from crush74design
> violates the rules in two ways:
> 
> First, the image seems not to be made for the IRTC, but, as the
> 3archi.txt says: "just another work for school".
> Second, the images looks very much like a post-processed photoshop
> collage of several views of two buildings.

I'm reasonably sure that the individual objects were indeed rendered
in truespace as the description says but I must agree that it was
heavily post-processed to create a collage as you suggest. A rather
obvious rules violation if you were to ask my opinion. I'm not even
going to comment on the school part.
 
> What's happening? Doesn't anyone check the entries at least for a
> general compliance to the rules before they are posted?

I don't know but recently it seems as if at least on per round is
sneaking in somehow. It does make one wonder if because many of
the participants don't understand English as a first language (if
at all) that they may be misinterpreting the rules or getting a
bad translation for it. There are quit a few rules to read through
for the competition and it would be understandable is some people
just don't read English well enough to understand them all. In this
particular situation the person who submitted that image was using
English poorly in his description which might explain it.

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Johannes Hubert <jht### [at] mailacom> wrote:
: What's happening? Doesn't anyone check the entries at least for a
: general compliance to the rules before they are posted?

  AFAIK it's left as a job for the voters to decide that (which is not always
a good thing because there might be many voters who don't realize that the
image is breaking the rules).

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It looks like a publicity to me...

Johannes Hubert wrote in message <39112d9f@news.povray.org>...
>I am wondering...
>...in my eyes, the recent IRTC entry 3archi.jpg from crush74design
>violates the rules in two ways:
>
>First, the image seems not to be made for the IRTC, but, as the
>3archi.txt says: "just another work for school".
>Second, the images looks very much like a post-processed photoshop
>collage of several views of two buildings.
>
>What's happening? Doesn't anyone check the entries at least for a
>general compliance to the rules before they are posted?
>
>Johannes.
>
>

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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:39113B37.5F48511C@pacbell.net...

> There are quit a few rules to read through
> for the competition and it would be understandable is some people
> just don't read English well enough to understand them all. In this
> particular situation the person who submitted that image was using
> English poorly in his description which might explain it.

You might have a point here.

But I think there still should be some process to eliminate images that
violate the rules. If the organizers don't have the time (which I could
understand), then there should be a mechnism for that for the voters (as
Warp says):

If a certain number of voters declares an image as violating the rules,
the panel should have a look at it (maybe contact the artist) and decide
if it needs to be pulled.
Does something like that exist? Are the voters aware that they should
look out for rules violations?

Johannes

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Johannes Hubert wrote:
> 
> "Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
> news:39113B37.5F48511C@pacbell.net...
> 
> > There are quit a few rules to read through
> > for the competition and it would be understandable is some people
> > just don't read English well enough to understand them all. In this
> > particular situation the person who submitted that image was using
> > English poorly in his description which might explain it.
> 
> You might have a point here.
> 
> But I think there still should be some process to eliminate images that
> violate the rules. If the organizers don't have the time (which I could
> understand), then there should be a mechnism for that for the voters (as
> Warp says):
> 
> If a certain number of voters declares an image as violating the rules,
> the panel should have a look at it (maybe contact the artist) and decide
> if it needs to be pulled.
> Does something like that exist? Are the voters aware that they should
> look out for rules violations?

Two rounds back one entry was pulled because it was prior art that
had been determined to have been created prior to the start of the
round it was submitted to and had been on a website for some time.
I do not know if there is a dedicated effort on the part of the
IRTC admin to screen the submissions but it appears they are willing
to do something about violations once reported to them.

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About eliminating images...

The problem is to distinguish between people that didn't
understand the rules (or only part of them) but who however
did a real work "in the spirit of competition" (even if not
*this particular* competition), and people who knowingly
try to cheat, by posting preexisting images, for example.

It is very hard, if not impossible.

I suggest not to be too strict. Reasons are :

1. Good cheaters are likely to do good images. Except in the
   case where an image was found already existing on the web,
   eliminating it will lead to great controversies. Do we need
   a Pixel Justice System?

   Similarly, bad cheaters do bad images. They're probably new
   to the whole thing, and I do not want to disgust them from
   entering the competition.

2. I would not be too comfortable to say to someone, "Sorry,
   you didn't respect rule #37185, you get 0 0 0, goodbye, see
   you next round !" (or whatever more subtile). He might have
   lots of reasons to break the rule, mostly not knowing it.

So, I suggest

	* making as much (good) translations as possible

	* having a way to warn the judges, after debate, through
	  a mailing list for example, that there's an entry that
	  is... well, let's say problematic, and let the judges
	  do what they want.

After all, they are the judges. We only have to help point out
problems.

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