John D. Gwinner wrote:

> "Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote in message
> news:40335d2e$1@news.povray.org...
> 
> 
>>>Dynamic hair is less useful for POV-Ray users because there's
> 
> no good way to export it right now. <<
> 
> Oh darn, that was a major reason I was thinking of upgrading.
> 
> So if you do a .obj export (i.e. for PoseRay) the dynamic hair doesn't show
> up?
> 
> I'm trying to simulate some moving hair INSIDE a space helmet and it turns
> out that's a collossal hassle.  I'm having to put very short hair on any of
> my females that go outside :)
> 
> I upgraded anyway but now I find dynamic cloth doesn't export for
> animations.
> 
>         == John ==
> 
> (Mistakenly replied instead of Replied to group, sorry Gilles!

The reason it doesn't currently handle the hair is because, when Poser5 
exports the object, it actually exports only the guide hairs, which are 
Wavefront line objects. When you use PoseRay, it converts those 
guide-hairs into very thin cylinders, but does not create the hair 
(there is no directive to do so in a Wavefront object). Poser actually 
fills-in the hair at render-time by using those hairs. The challenge is 
to create a converter that exports from Wavefront, renders the hairs in 
memory, and saves it in the POV-Ray format. I'm working on that myself 
(hence all the details), but I side-tracked myself. This message might 
get me back on track this weekend :-)

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Dan P
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> The challenge is
> to create a converter that exports from Wavefront, renders the hairs in
> memory, and saves it in the POV-Ray format. I'm working on that myself
> (hence all the details), but I side-tracked myself. This message might
> get me back on track this weekend :-)

Wow, nice.  Let me know if you need a Beta, but I haven't done any dynamic
hair yet.

I was hoping to use Dynamic hair for a space suited figure I'm working on
for the IRTC animation round, but I'm thinking I won't make it :(

The issue I've found with long hair is that it's hard to fit inside a space
helmet.  I had this feeling dynamic hair would let me cram it in somehow and
still 'move' but I have to admit I haven't tried it.

        == John ==

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John D. Gwinner wrote:
>>The challenge is
>>to create a converter that exports from Wavefront, renders the hairs in
>>memory, and saves it in the POV-Ray format. I'm working on that myself
>>(hence all the details), but I side-tracked myself. This message might
>>get me back on track this weekend :-)
> 
> 
> Wow, nice.  Let me know if you need a Beta, but I haven't done any dynamic
> hair yet.

Will do! Now I'm gettin' excited again :-)

> I was hoping to use Dynamic hair for a space suited figure I'm working on
> for the IRTC animation round, but I'm thinking I won't make it :(

When is it due? I have much already completed (just not the actual 
output to POV-Ray nor some of the more fancy features... I already have 
the entire Wavefront object loaded into memory (well, actually, except 
for lines)). The program is a Windows32 MFC C/C++ application; if you 
don't have Windows, the work I've done so far won't work. However, I do 
plan to alter the reading engine so that it is in Standard C++ so that I 
can easily port it to Linux.

> The issue I've found with long hair is that it's hard to fit inside a space
> helmet.  I had this feeling dynamic hair would let me cram it in somehow and
> still 'move' but I have to admit I haven't tried it.
> 
>         == John ==

PoseRay creates something called a "poseraylinegroup" -- those thin 
cylinders I talked about. It might be possible to write a quick PERL 
script to do the job on a POV-Ray file already created. Uber-scripters 
like Warp could probably do that in POV-Ray itself :-)
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Dan P
http://<broken link>

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"Dan P" <dan### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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> When is it due?

Tax day in the US, April 15th (actually the 16th)

> The program is a Windows32 MFC C/C++ application

No problem, I'm a C++ developer myself, I could run anything including debug
binaries if you need GOOD feedback on GPF's and the like.

Now I have this scene in mind where she bends over (with a poneytail), puts
the helmet on upside down over the hair, then stands up and it all falls
down to her neck.  That would look pretty cool.

I have a lot of other modeling to finish though (and taxes!), so it'll be
tight.  Even if I don't use it for this though, I'm really starting to like
the combo of Poser+POVRay for animations.

Heck, even for stills having dyanmic hair and clothes will look much better.
Morphs go a long way but cloth and hair that actually drapes, that'll look
much more real.

        == John ==

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John D. Gwinner wrote:

> "Dan P" <dan### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
> news:406e39b9$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>>When is it due?
> 
> 
> Tax day in the US, April 15th (actually the 16th)
> 
> 
>>The program is a Windows32 MFC C/C++ application
> 
> No problem, I'm a C++ developer myself, I could run anything including debug
> binaries if you need GOOD feedback on GPF's and the like.

Awesome! Thanks!

> Now I have this scene in mind where she bends over (with a poneytail), puts
> the helmet on upside down over the hair, then stands up and it all falls
> down to her neck.  That would look pretty cool.

Very cool -- I hope you have a lot of RAM :-)

> I have a lot of other modeling to finish though (and taxes!), so it'll be
> tight.  Even if I don't use it for this though, I'm really starting to like
> the combo of Poser+POVRay for animations.

Poser is way-hard to figure out at first, but once you get the 
hang-of-it, it's sweet. I wonder if that new movie "Game Over" is done 
with Poser? I recognized the "Casual Pants" model on one of the 
characters which raised my eyebrow :-)

> Heck, even for stills having dyanmic hair and clothes will look much better.
> Morphs go a long way but cloth and hair that actually drapes, that'll look
> much more real.

I can totally relate to the lack of time thing :-( My homework has been 
brutle lately. This week I had a break, but next week; right back into 
the fray.

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Dan P
http://<broken link>

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