So Markus and Stephen,
These animations wipe out us old men, eh? So let's do animations which don't
wipe us out.  And my hypothesis in this regard has always been that a shorter
time to complete forces a simpler project, and limits the duration of agony for
a poorly designed one.  But I'll toss that idea out for whatever contest design,
youtube or TC-RTC would make the old IRTC Animators produce material again.
Markus, was your promise to *consider* producing, for an "open" TC-RTC round?


FWIW, I don't let myself lose sleep on these, but the 'puter. I set up the total
length, and first have a character doing a walk cycle throughout that total
length.  Then each day I compile an anim of the past night's render, make a few
tweaks, and re-render overnight.




Markus Altendorff <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote:
> Though I *do* appreciate being mentioned here, after all
> that time (three years... sigh.) ... who knows, might as
> well try and bring the old girls back this time. :)
>
> I'm not promising anything, mind you...
>
> -Markus

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On 15/06/2010 5:53 PM, gregjohn wrote:
>
> So Markus and Stephen,
> These animations wipe out us old men, eh? So let's do animations which don't
> wipe us out.

That's a good idea.

> And my hypothesis in this regard has always been that a shorter
> time to complete forces a simpler project, and limits the duration of agony for
> a poorly designed one.

I thought the opposite before but thinking about it, you're right.

> But I'll toss that idea out for whatever contest design,
> youtube or TC-RTC would make the old IRTC Animators produce material again.

We can have what ever we want for the TC-RTC and I like the idea of 
uploading a 10 Meg animation and posting a link to youtube as well.

> Markus, was your promise to *consider* producing, for an "open" TC-RTC round?
>
>
> FWIW, I don't let myself lose sleep on these, but the 'puter. I set up the total
> length, and first have a character doing a walk cycle throughout that total
> length.  Then each day I compile an anim of the past night's render, make a few
> tweaks, and re-render overnight.
>

Overnight rendering is de rigueur. :-)

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Best Regards,
	Stephen

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On 16.06.2010 08:37, Stephen wrote:
> On 15/06/2010 5:53 PM, gregjohn wrote:
>>
>> So Markus and Stephen,
>> These animations wipe out us old men, eh? So let's do animations which
>> don't
>> wipe us out.
>
> That's a good idea.

Aw c'mon, if I bother to fire up the 3D, then I want to tell 
some kind of story, dangnabbit ;)

>> And my hypothesis in this regard has always been that a shorter
>> time to complete forces a simpler project, and limits the duration of
>> agony for
>> a poorly designed one.
>
> I thought the opposite before but thinking about it, you're right.

I beg to differ, but I'm easily persuaded :)

>> But I'll toss that idea out for whatever contest design,
>> youtube or TC-RTC would make the old IRTC Animators produce material
>> again.
>
> We can have what ever we want for the TC-RTC and I like the idea of
> uploading a 10 Meg animation and posting a link to youtube as well.

So far, my Youtubes have been "oh lookit here, the new 
Cinema4D can do bouncing cubes" ... not sure if throwing 
recreated tutorial output around is the right thing to get 
back into TC-RTCing ;)

>> Markus, was your promise to *consider* producing, for an "open" TC-RTC
>> round?

There's still time until August 31, I gather? See, my bat 
lady's wing mesh setup is pretty much in tatters at the 
moment, but I don't want to get back to a "legacy" 
configuration... :S

>> FWIW, I don't let myself lose sleep on these, but the 'puter. I set up
>> the total
>> length, and first have a character doing a walk cycle throughout that
>> total
>> length. Then each day I compile an anim of the past night's render,
>> make a few
>> tweaks, and re-render overnight.
>>
>
> Overnight rendering is de rigueur. :-)

Clustering isn't too shabby either :)

(though I must admit, since I switched from "idling 
workstation 2006" to "thin desktop 2009" for the daily 
computing stuff, my power bill has dropped by 1/3 ... and 
that tiny box is still good enough to complete a couple 
hundred frames overnight. Science! Progress! Isn't it 
wonderful?) ;)

-M

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On 16/06/2010 9:08 PM, Markus Altendorff wrote:

> Aw c'mon, if I bother to fire up the 3D, then I want to tell some kind
> of story, dangnabbit ;)
>

Your animations *do* tell a story. I on the other hand prefer doing 
cyclic animations where the story is inferred.

>>> And my hypothesis in this regard has always been that a shorter
>>> time to complete forces a simpler project, and limits the duration of
>>> agony for
>>> a poorly designed one.
>>
>> I thought the opposite before but thinking about it, you're right.
>
> I beg to differ, but I'm easily persuaded :)
>


out for me for the moment.

>>> But I'll toss that idea out for whatever contest design,
>>> youtube or TC-RTC would make the old IRTC Animators produce material
>>> again.
>>
>> We can have what ever we want for the TC-RTC and I like the idea of
>> uploading a 10 Meg animation and posting a link to youtube as well.
>
> So far, my Youtubes have been "oh lookit here, the new Cinema4D can do
> bouncing cubes" ... not sure if throwing recreated tutorial output
> around is the right thing to get back into TC-RTCing ;)
>

I meant it more along the lines of defeating the 10 Meg limit for 
uploaded files. But maybe YouTube is not the best place.

>>> Markus, was your promise to *consider* producing, for an "open" TC-RTC
>>> round?
>
> There's still time until August 31, I gather?

The animation side of the site seems to be broken ATM and the server is 
going to offline for a physical move this weekend. After that has been 

again. Since it has been very quiet we can start afresh if no-one is 
working on anything, maybe talk about new rules etc. There is some talk 
about redesigning the site as work experience for a graduating student.

> See, my bat lady's wing
> mesh setup is pretty much in tatters at the moment, but I don't want to
> get back to a "legacy" configuration... :S
>

Ouch!

>> Overnight rendering is de rigueur. :-)
>
> Clustering isn't too shabby either :)
>

Nice.

> (though I must admit, since I switched from "idling workstation 2006" to
> "thin desktop 2009" for the daily computing stuff, my power bill has
> dropped by 1/3 ... and that tiny box is still good enough to complete a
> couple hundred frames overnight. Science! Progress! Isn't it wonderful?) ;)

Truly :-D

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Best Regards,
	Stephen

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gregjohn wrote:
> IRTC is apparently unable to host animations because of the limitations of the
> software language/ system is was designed under.
> 
> TC-RTC has not, IIRC, ever had either John vanSickle's "Rusty" character or
> Markus' "Anthrosphinx" character. TC-RTC has had a couple of single and
> zero-entry rounds for animation. And the latest round is "open," which sort of
> means it's over.  So yes, I'm talking about starting over.

The round based on the title "The Black Robe" had a Rusty entry.

> What would it take, John and Markus, (maybe even Matt) to get you to produce
> another animation?

How many sacks of gold are you offering?

I think it may be easier to set up the IRTC so that the animations are 
stored on YouTube.  Unless there are legal issues, it should not present 
any difficulty.

Regards,
John

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On 6/17/2010 6:39 AM, John VanSickle wrote:

> I think it may be easier to set up the IRTC so that the animations are
> stored on YouTube. Unless there are legal issues, it should not present
> any difficulty.

Hmm. That was my first thought, "Why not host the entries on YouTube, or 
Vimeo?"

I also wondered if there was some sort of legal issue with doing it that 
way. Youtube seems to allow better quality than it used to, so it's 
definitely a viable option.

-- 
~Mike

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Okay, my main goal is to be able to make something in a forum that John & Markus
were also producing. (Or frankly, where any people are doing 3D **character
animation** at "IRTC quality" (Siggraph-1995-esque quality??))

So, I'm reading John as being in favor of a Youtube group/ channel, which is
fine by me. (The only legal issue I could imagine is if you were to take
existing IRTC anims and upload to Youtube, which I don't see necessary).  FWIW,
people are already using the tag IRTC there to mean something else.

I read Markus as willing to make a TC-RTC animation for the current August 30th
deadline. I also hear him nonplussed with an open category (which invites
bouncing cubes).

Here's a proposal:  Youtube it, and make it a random selection of the combined
titles of HG Wells & Jules Verne.  Or we could make it that same and go for
TC-RTC.

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> What would it take, John and Markus, (maybe even Matt) to get you to produce
> another animation?

I am working, sort of, on another animation, but it does not feature 
Rusty.  The part I'm working on now requires an occupied casket, and 
I've been working through some issues with my modeler (LionSnake) as I 
try to model the occupant.

Regards,
John

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John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > What would it take, John and Markus, (maybe even Matt) to get you to produce
> > another animation?
>
> I am working, sort of, on another animation, but it does not feature
> Rusty.  The part I'm working on now requires an occupied casket, and
> I've been working through some issues with my modeler (LionSnake) as I
> try to model the occupant.
>
> Regards,
> John

Great!  I didn't have specific desire to prompt you to make a Rusty animation,
per se.  But last night I was wearing the official IRTC Animations T-shirt, and
my son said, "I like that robot."

So here's your bag of gold.  If one designed a theme around your animation, what
could it be?  (Say a funny 4-word headline or scifi novel title.)  I could try
to make an animation based on that.

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http://tinachepforum.forumup.co.uk/index.php?mforum=tinachepforum
To discuss improving the animation side of the site.

Any/all contributions are welcome. The path is:


Rebooted.

http://tinachepforum.forumup.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=1936&mforum=tinachepforum#1936


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Best Regards,
	Stephen

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