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scott wrote:
> I find the web-based forums I use way better than NNTP.
>
> One of the main advantages is that threads are nicely organised, and if
> some noob starts a new thread asking the same question for the 234234th
> time it gets merged with the existing thread on that subject. If a
> thread goes too far OT then it gets split into a new thread, similar
> threads get joined, there just seems to be a lot more "housekeeping"
> than is possible with an NNTP server. This then means that if you want
> info about how to fix splotchy patches in radiosity the info is all
> there in one thread titled "Sticky: How to fix splotchy patches in
> radiosity" under the "Radiosity" sub-group, rather than spread across
> 867 different threads in 5 different groups.
OK. I've never seen that on any web forum, ever. All of the web forums
I've seen are like NNTP, but more primitive. (E.g., messages are
"threaded", but purely in the order the messages were posted. You can't
have branching threads, for example.)
> And of course, you can access a web-based forum from any machine without
> having to install a client (although POV has a web interface for its
> NNTP server).
People were quick to point out that the Haskell mailing list can be
accessed through "gmane", which is web-based. So that makes it OK,
doesn't it?
(Er, well, no... You still have to subscript to be able to post
anything. And you still have to actually receive an email before you can
reply to it; my ISP keeps marking the messages as spam for some unknown
reason. Also, when you hit reply, by default Thunderbird replies to the
original sender, not the mailing list.)
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On 20-2-2009 11:00, Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> andrel a écrit :
>> On 20-2-2009 10:48, Invisible wrote:
>>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>>> Clique -- A close-knit, usually exclusionary, group.
>>>>
>>>> Oh. Right.
>>>>
>>>> How the heck do you pronounce that?
>>>
>>> Wikipedia claims it's /'kliːk/ (i.e, "kleek"). Obviously Wikipedia is
>>> never wrong.
>>
>> Is that the standard English pronunciation or the standard French, or
>> that by Englishmen who tries to imitate the French?
>
> In French the i is not really longer than average, the pronunciation is
> /klik/.
>
Yes, but would an Englishman know?
BTW there is the Dutch word 'kliek' pronounced as the english equivalent
and meaning the same. I assume they have the same origin. Might it be
the case that when French was still the lingua franca that the
pronunciation was somewhat different? I know that Dutch vowels drifted a
bit. Actually they still do.
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> OK. I've never seen that on any web forum, ever.
Here are a couple of examples of web forums ordered nicely by topics, and
which actively have threads moved, merged and split and titles changed
depending on subject:
http://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=48872
(an example thread that gets lots of merges, from one of the best-run forums
I've seen)
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=53168
(this one is not quite as good, but still threads like that get merged and
split depending on subject)
> (Er, well, no... You still have to subscript to be able to post anything.
> And you still have to actually receive an email before you can reply to
> it;
Huh? I've never seen that before, all the web forums I use you post in the
web browser, no need for any email.
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>> (Er, well, no... You still have to subscript to be able to post
>> anything. And you still have to actually receive an email before you
>> can reply to it;
>
> Huh? I've never seen that before, all the web forums I use you post in
> the web browser, no need for any email.
But that's just it. Gmane isn't a web forum. It's a web interface to a
mailing list. So while it does fix the problem of *viewing* the list, it
still doesn't fix the problem of *posting* to it. (And the threading
seems to be horribly broken - or, more likely, people's mail clients are
horribly broken...)
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On 20-2-2009 10:58, Invisible wrote:
>>> You needed Google for that? :-P
>>
>> You can only know that sort of thing without something like Google if
>> you were born in a certain period or in a certain country or had a
>> certain group of friends and/or any combination of that. For me, I
>> don't think I ever heard of that band, nor that 'song'.
>> Yesterday evening and this morning I was listening to songs and music
>> by Hildegard von Bingen. I would not blame you if you don't know who
>> that is. She died a bit before you were born. Then again you might
>> have had the right sort of friends some day. But I am sure there are
>> people here that don't have to resort to Google to estimate how much
>> 'a bit' is.
>
> Heh. Well, as you know, I've never really had "friends".
That is not true. There's a lot of people here that are friend enough
for this discussion to introduce you to other musical styles. And I
think they did. Someone also introduced you to organ music.
> However, that
> particular song spent months at or near the top of the UK charts. Still,
> the tune is probably more memorable than the actual words...
Probably long after the time when I was still listening to the radio
regularly. I stopped at the rise of Hiphop and such, when the majority
of 'songs' on the radio were performed by people that could not play an
instrument or sing. So my knowledge of popular music is very sketchy
after, say, 1990.
I see you resisted finding out who Hildegard was. ;)
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On 20-2-2009 11:34, andrel wrote:
>
>
> There's a lot of people here that are friend enough
> for this discussion to introduce you to other musical styles.
BTW I have now switched to the album Moving Pictures by Rush. After that
it will be another moving album, Moving Hearts this time by the band
with the same name.
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>> Heh. Well, as you know, I've never really had "friends".
>
> That is not true. There's a lot of people here that are friend enough
> for this discussion to introduce you to other musical styles. And I
> think they did. Someone also introduced you to organ music.
I'm just saying, it's not like I had school buddies who I'd visit and
hear what they're listening to. I spend almost my entire life alone.
>> However, that particular song spent months at or near the top of the
>> UK charts. Still, the tune is probably more memorable than the actual
>> words...
>
> Probably long after the time when I was still listening to the radio
> regularly. I stopped at the rise of Hiphop and such, when the majority
> of 'songs' on the radio were performed by people that could not play an
> instrument or sing. So my knowledge of popular music is very sketchy
> after, say, 1990.
Ooo, you just missed it. Insomnia was 1995.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia_(Faithless_song)
For a few months it was everywhere. And then a whole slew of copycats
followed it. (It used a distinctive pizzicato synch patch that
subsequently appeared everywhere.) Heck, if it managed to get its own
Wikipedia page, it must be moderately cult. ;-)
> I see you resisted finding out who Hildegard was. ;)
Weird thing: I have trouble remembering words I can't pronounce. I have
no idea why that would be...
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:23:00 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
>>> Is that the standard English pronunciation or the standard French, or
>>> that by Englishmen who tries to imitate the French?
>>
>> In French the i is not really longer than average, the pronunciation is
>> /klik/.
>>
>Yes, but would an Englishman know?
No and it is considered pretentious to pronounce French words, that are used in
English, as they are pronounced in France. For instance Paris is not "Paree",
filet is fill-et etc.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 20-2-2009 11:50, Invisible wrote:
>>> Heh. Well, as you know, I've never really had "friends".
>>
>> That is not true. There's a lot of people here that are friend enough
>> for this discussion to introduce you to other musical styles. And I
>> think they did. Someone also introduced you to organ music.
>
> I'm just saying, it's not like I had school buddies who I'd visit and
> hear what they're listening to. I spend almost my entire life alone.
Guess what, me too. ;)
>>> However, that particular song spent months at or near the top of the
>>> UK charts. Still, the tune is probably more memorable than the actual
>>> words...
>>
>> Probably long after the time when I was still listening to the radio
>> regularly. I stopped at the rise of Hiphop and such, when the majority
>> of 'songs' on the radio were performed by people that could not play
>> an instrument or sing. So my knowledge of popular music is very
>> sketchy after, say, 1990.
>
> Ooo, you just missed it. Insomnia was 1995.
Just? by a many years.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia_(Faithless_song)
Ok, I tried youtube. Never heard it before, I guess. Don't want to hear
it again. Typical of the type of music that made me turn away from the
radio.
Back to Moving Hearts for me.
> For a few months it was everywhere. And then a whole slew of copycats
> followed it. (It used a distinctive pizzicato synch patch that
> subsequently appeared everywhere.)
Are you sure they were the first to use something like that?
> Heck, if it managed to get its own
> Wikipedia page, it must be moderately cult. ;-)
>
>> I see you resisted finding out who Hildegard was. ;)
>
> Weird thing: I have trouble remembering words I can't pronounce. I have
> no idea why that would be...
Ok, I'll help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen
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>> Yes, but would an Englishman know?
>
> No and it is considered pretentious to pronounce French words, that are used in
> English, as they are pronounced in France. For instance Paris is not "Paree",
> filet is fill-et etc.
One thing I discovered while in Switzerland: You have to say French
words with an actual French accent, or people don't know WTF you're saying.
Yeah, I know, it sounds obvious. But the number of English people who
think it's "bon-jor" when in fact what I heard the people there utterly
sounded nothing like that...
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