On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:09:57 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> that was the letter to media and you left out what to do.
> 
> find out what he had been given and report your findings. written to the
> media ... come on people I know there is a brain in there somewhere

You're not helping yourself with statements like the last one.

But my point still holds - it's not the MEDIA'S fault, it's not MY fault 
if I don't "write to the media", it's NOBODY'S fault but the SHOOTER'S.

Jim

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If a sane man had gripe he'd probably go after the person he thought most
responsible. make sense?

Shooting an innocent girl in the eye is a sign of anything but health and
sanity.


And yes cho was in a psych ward prior to his rampage, and it was he not a she.
What planet are you people from? :)


Just do nothing about what you have not learned here, ya that'll fix it.

aQ


No wait I had a question.

"I got involved in ways that can make a difference."

Jim:
I didnt see you elaborate on that. Care to tell us what you think will make a
difference? Maybe we can too.

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> it's NOBODY'S fault but the SHOOTER'S.

yes, it's nobody's fault that a fucktwit can buy guns and get stoned to death
and start shooting people.  It's not his parents' fault, nor his neighbors' and
colleagues' fault, nor it is fault of the society he's been raised in.  Let
alone the government permitting fucktwits to buy legal drugs and guns is at
fault here.

The only one at fault is the crazy bastard.  Which should be in some Mental
Institution or in prison, but wasn't.  Collecting guns and taking heavy
medicine is never going to work, you know...

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:35:40 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> it's NOBODY'S fault but the SHOOTER'S.
> 
> yes, it's nobody's fault that a fucktwit can buy guns and get stoned to
> death and start shooting people.  It's not his parents' fault, nor his
> neighbors' and colleagues' fault, nor it is fault of the society he's
> been raised in.  Let alone the government permitting fucktwits to buy
> legal drugs and guns is at fault here.

Well, we do happen to have this thing called the second amendment to the 
constitution.  You know, the one about the right to bear arms?

(And no, I'm not a member of the NRA nor am I in favor of a total lack of 
gun control)

As for legal drugs in use - Prozac is what's been cited (honestly don't 
know if that's the case or not), but not everyone who takes it becomes a 
psychopathic homicidal maniac.  I know from personal experience on that 
one.

> The only one at fault is the crazy bastard.  Which should be in some
> Mental Institution or in prison, but wasn't.  Collecting guns and taking
> heavy medicine is never going to work, you know...

The fault for the shooting lies with the shooter.  The fault for the 
shooter's access to the means lies with the person who provided them with 
the weapon.

The shooter is not blameless in this.  But our societal norm these days 
is that the individual bears NO responsibility at all for anything they 
do.  That's just wrong.

Jim

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And a disturbing fact remains as explained in graphic detail on my page.

REAL medicine is illegal and poison is prescribed instead.

Go to a doctor, especially a hospital, you can be given compazine for nausea;
nothing more than pesticide with an ethyl/amine chain. Also fluoride
antipsychotics for something as simple as sleeplessness.

Anyone prescribing these poisons either took the Hippocratic oath in jest or
failed to their biochemistry. The breakdown into carbon/fluorine molecules is
equivalent to Teflon; a carbon/fluorine chain.

I really cant expect this to be understood.

Someone in your family has taken it? Well, they stopped taking, right? That
seems to be another common theme. Eventually people wake up and realize, ways
unknown to most, I don't want to take this stuff (for some reason).

A few doses will not immediately bring on symptoms in some. This in NO way

will see seizures manifest with a single dose.

Amazing how this logic eludes so many.

I strongly suggest you at least give these words some consideration before
taking this crap.

To your success and health,
aQ

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:25:20 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> Just do nothing about what you have not learned here, ya that'll fix it.

Fact:  There are always going to be people who abuse freedom.

Fact:  There will always be people who get things that they shouldn't and 
use them to ends that are contrary to the intended use or the public good.

HOWEVER, if we start restricting anything/everything that can be used to 
harm others, then we won't be a free society; we'll be living under a 
totalitarian regime.  Do you really want that?

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.  The cost of not being 
vigilant is the loss of freedom.  I wouldn't (as a general rule) trade 
security for freedom, especially if that security is provided by our 
government - because it's almost certainly more for show than for actual 
security.

> No wait I had a question.
> 
> "I got involved in ways that can make a difference."
> 
> Jim:
> I didnt see you elaborate on that. Care to tell us what you think will
> make a difference? Maybe we can too.

I actively participate in events that are more than groups of people 
picketing and shouting into the wind.  I attend public hearings, ask 
questions of my elected officials, and demand accountability.

Picking up a picket sign and walking around in the cold is a great way to 
get attention, but a poor way to effect real change.  It's too easy to 
dismiss picketers as the lunatic fringe and not representative of what 
the public really thinks.

Jim

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:58:10 -0500, alphaQuad wrote:

> And a disturbing fact remains as explained in graphic detail on my page.
> 
> REAL medicine is illegal and poison is prescribed instead.
> 
> Go to a doctor, especially a hospital, you can be given compazine for
> nausea; nothing more than pesticide with an ethyl/amine chain. Also
> fluoride antipsychotics for something as simple as sleeplessness.
> 
> Anyone prescribing these poisons either took the Hippocratic oath in
> jest or failed to their biochemistry. The breakdown into carbon/fluorine
> molecules is equivalent to Teflon; a carbon/fluorine chain.
> 
> I really cant expect this to be understood.

What's your background?  Are you a pharmacological expert, have a 
background in chemistry, or are somehow otherwise qualified to make these 
judgments that we are not aware of?

Again, what's your background?

> Someone in your family has taken it? Well, they stopped taking, right?

Yes, because the symptoms have now gone away.

> That seems to be another common theme. Eventually people wake up and
> realize, ways unknown to most, I don't want to take this stuff (for some
> reason).

Actually, no.  In the case of my family member, the prescription was no 
longer needed.

> A few doses will not immediately bring on symptoms in some. This in NO
> way suggests it didn’t do any damage. But take enough and ... SNAP! In
> some, you will see seizures manifest with a single dose.
> 
> Amazing how this logic eludes so many.

It ain't logic.  It's hyperbole.

Some people drown in water.  Others don't.  Does that mean we should shut 
down all the swimming pools?

> I strongly suggest you at least give these words some consideration
> before taking this crap.

I *always* consult with a qualified professional before taking any 
medication.  One of my criteria is that they aren't over-eager to 
prescribe something that I don't need, and aren't prepared to say "well, 
try this and see if it works".  I presently take a few medications for my 
allergies - and I fully expect you to give me some horror story about my 
fexofenedrine or my Nasonex about how it's going to turn me into a 
fanatical psychopathic killer if I ever get my hands on a nailgun.

And we won't even get started on my allergy injections.  They're probably 
also destroying my higher brain function so that I'd brick someone up as 
if I were playing out Poe's _Cask of Amontillado_.

Jim

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:09:57 +0100, alphaQuad  
<alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
> that was the letter to media

They are still your words, are they not?


> and you left out what to do.
>
> find out what he had been given and report your findings.
> written to the media ...

[From the original post, also in the "letter to media" part:]
"Do this or you become partially responsible for all future shootings."

So unless they (i.e. the media, and also a few senators) follow your  
orders, they are responsible for the acts of murderers?


> come on people I know there is a brain in there
> somewhere

I realise that you are trying to insult my intelligence here, but perhaps  
you should question your own as well. Seriously, how do you think it will  
help your cause to send an outright insulting letter to major media  
corporations as well as several senators, including perhaps-soon-president  
Obama? Not just one copy either, but *everyone* should send one lest they  
be considered "also part of the problem".

If you want to affect some real change, start by treating those you  
address with some respect. Perhaps then they will feel inclined to  
actually listen. Until then, *you* are part of the problem.


-- 
FE

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> The shooter is not blameless in this.  But our societal norm these days
> is that the individual bears NO responsibility at all for anything they
> do.  That's just wrong.

100% agreed.  It's always the drugs, the immaturity, the exposure to violent

blame for his actions on his own.

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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > it's NOBODY'S fault but the SHOOTER'S.
>
> yes, it's nobody's fault that a fucktwit can buy guns and get stoned to death
> and start shooting people.  It's not his parents' fault, nor his neighbors' and
> colleagues' fault, nor it is fault of the society he's been raised in.  Let
> alone the government permitting fucktwits to buy legal drugs and guns is at
> fault here.

Apparently you havent had the chance to take these poisons. DONT EVER!

>
> The only one at fault is the crazy bastard.  Which should be in some Mental
> Institution or in prison, but wasn't.  Collecting guns and taking heavy
> medicine is never going to work, you know...

um ... geeze ... that is the norm of concensus.

The mentally ill get incarceration, neglect and brain lesions, not treatment.
Because real meds cannot be presribed even if the doc had a heart.

Prison is punishment. Punishment never did one bit of good, EVER! The induced
pain and emotional trauma does one thing. It hardens a resolve to resist a lame
ignorant authority. It becomes a revolving door. People get hurt, he gets
punished and released bringing all that induced rage with him to dump . People
get hurt, he gets punished and released.

But deal with the original issue creatively rather than destructively and you
have, what? Rehabilitation.

aQ

God, people are really in need of your wisdom. I just want to help and do the
right thing. If only everyone ...

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