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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is readingthesensorsincorrectly
Date: 26 Feb 2011 12:26:15
Message: <4d6937b7$1@news.povray.org>
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On 26/02/2011 4:50 PM, Mike Raiford wrote:
>> Are you using SSLT?
>
> Yep... using SSLT. wow. Wonder why that is. Yeah, running PassMark would
> only warm the CPU up to about 68-70. So, maybe its just the case the POV
> just really hammers the CPU.
Aye, must be. I blame Clipa ;-)
I just downloaded HW Monitor to check and it reports the same
temperatures. I suppose you could always reduce the duty cycle if it
bothers you.
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
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Regards
Stephen
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is reading the sensors incorrectly
Date: 26 Feb 2011 13:12:46
Message: <4d69429e@news.povray.org>
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Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, with intensive POV-Ray work, I always like to open up speedfan and
> peek at the temps. (Under POV load, each core seems to be around 93?C
I think that's too much. Many systems I have seen have been configured
for an immediate emergency shutdown if the CPU temperature exceed something
like 85 degrees. (If it reaches those temperatures something must be really
wrong. Maybe the CPU fan died.)
I don't know if 93 degrees is a normal operating temperature for your CPU,
but it certainly doesn't sound like such. My guess is that your monitoring
software is reading or showing something completely bogus.
In a well-ventilated, well-designed system the CPU runs at something
like 40 degrees when idle and 60-65 degrees under full load. (Of course
this probably depends on the CPU in question, but with many CPUs normal
operating temperatures may be even lower than that.)
> I may need to pop the heat sink off the cpu, clean it off, and re-apply
> some heatsink goop to get the temps down...
I'm not sure that would be the problem. I have been using my system for
something like 5 years without ever doing that, and it still runs at a
comfortable 44 degrees when idle. Just need to remove the dust from time
to time.
I had a problem with the CPU fan (rather than the CPU itself), as it would
spin really fast when temperatures got even slightly high, but tinkering with
the BIOS settings fixed that. (Now something like 2200 RPM is enough to keep
the CPU down to about 44 degrees at normal room temperature.)
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- Warp
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is reading the sensors incorrectly
Date: 26 Feb 2011 14:03:58
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Warp wrote:
> I think that's too much. Many systems I have seen have been configured
> for an immediate emergency shutdown if the CPU temperature exceed something
> like 85 degrees. (If it reaches those temperatures something must be really
> wrong. Maybe the CPU fan died.)
I tried the demo of The Ball on Steam, set it at full screen 1080, and the
machine powered down in about 3 minutes, apparently from overheating but I
didn't get any message to that affect on booting up again. Tried it again a
few hours later, windowed down to 800x600 and got about 10 minutes in before
it shut off again.
I think the graphics card may be underventilated (as all my slots are full),
but I've never had that problem with anything else (altho I can definitely
hear the fan spinning up when I'm gaming (at least other people's games)).
The GPU itself seemed rather scortching hot when I opened it up to check on
the dustiness.
I'm wondering if it's worth pulling the card out and visually inspecting the
surface and/or blowing it cleaner than I can with the card in place or
something.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"How did he die?" "He got shot in the hand."
"That was fatal?"
"He was holding a live grenade at the time."
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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is readingthesensorsincorrectly
Date: 26 Feb 2011 14:38:50
Message: <4d6956ca@news.povray.org>
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Am 26.02.2011 18:25, schrieb Stephen:
> On 26/02/2011 4:50 PM, Mike Raiford wrote:
>>> Are you using SSLT?
>>
>> Yep... using SSLT. wow. Wonder why that is. Yeah, running PassMark would
>> only warm the CPU up to about 68-70. So, maybe its just the case the POV
>> just really hammers the CPU.
>
> Aye, must be. I blame Clipa ;-)
You're making me bigger than I am :-) ("Lipa" is polish for lime
(linden) tree; "Lipka" is the deminuitive form; the "C" is from
"Christoph".)
As implemented in RC3, SSLT shoots about half of its rays only against
the SSLT object itself, which might result in fewer cache misses than
other ray-tracing computations. In addition, SSLT does a lot of math,
with many exp() and sin() and cos() and such, so the floating-point
units are probably running near full-throttle.
> I just downloaded HW Monitor to check and it reports the same
> temperatures. I suppose you could always reduce the duty cycle if it
> bothers you.
When I got my i7, I was worried about the high temperatures, too - but I
was assured by the local PC dealer that this was nothing to worry about,
since the i7 would self-throttle when in danger of overheating.
It doesn't - to the contrary, the cooling in my PC is apparently so good
that the CPU keeps overclocking itself even with POV-Ray blazing away.
Apparently the i7's temperature sensors measure the temperature at
totally different places than its predecessors. I heard that earlier
Intel CPU's measure the temperature of (or near) the heatsink, while the
i7 measures the core temperature.
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is readingthesensorsincorrectly
Date: 26 Feb 2011 15:28:08
Message: <4d696258$1@news.povray.org>
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On 26/02/2011 7:39 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Aye, must be. I blame Clipa ;-)
>
> You're making me bigger than I am :-)
>
You're a big man here. :-D
> When I got my i7, I was worried about the high temperatures, too - but I
> was assured by the local PC dealer that this was nothing to worry about,
> since the i7 would self-throttle when in danger of overheating.
Good to know.
> It doesn't - to the contrary, the cooling in my PC is apparently so good
> that the CPU keeps overclocking itself even with POV-Ray blazing away.
>
I've not seen my i7 laptop go into turbo
> Apparently the i7's temperature sensors measure the temperature at
> totally different places than its predecessors. I heard that earlier
> Intel CPU's measure the temperature of (or near) the heatsink, while the
> i7 measures the core temperature.
Any idea what the max working temperature is?
--
Regards
Stephen
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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is readingthesensorsincorrectly
Date: 26 Feb 2011 18:53:58
Message: <4d699296$1@news.povray.org>
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Am 26.02.2011 21:27, schrieb Stephen:
>> It doesn't - to the contrary, the cooling in my PC is apparently so good
>> that the CPU keeps overclocking itself even with POV-Ray blazing away.
>
> I've not seen my i7 laptop go into turbo
It may be disabled by the BIOS or chipset or whatever; after all,
typically Laptops go for low energy consumption, whereas turbo is going
for maxed performance.
>> Apparently the i7's temperature sensors measure the temperature at
>> totally different places than its predecessors. I heard that earlier
>> Intel CPU's measure the temperature of (or near) the heatsink, while the
>> i7 measures the core temperature.
>
> Any idea what the max working temperature is?
Not really. I think back then I found some information indicating that
around 90 degrees Celsius is a "healthy" upper value, but I can't give a
guarantee for that information.
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From: Sherry Shaw
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is readingthesensorsincorrectly
Date: 26 Feb 2011 18:55:46
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clipka wrote:
> ...("Lipa" is polish for lime
> (linden) tree; "Lipka" is the deminuitive form; the "C" is from
> "Christoph".)
> ...
BTW, pardon me for going off the off-topic topic, but is it just me, or
are there really, really lots of guys named
Cristoph/Cristopher/Christian/Chris around here? Has anyone ever
calculated the Chris Quotient for this place?
Just curious.
--Sherry Shaw
P.S.: In my high school graduating class of ca. 50 students, there were
four (4) girls named "Sherry" or something similar. You had to holler
at me quite a while before I would even bother to look up.
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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is readingthesensorsincorrectly
Date: 26 Feb 2011 19:25:17
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Am 27.02.2011 00:55, schrieb Sherry Shaw:
> clipka wrote:
>> ...("Lipa" is polish for lime (linden) tree; "Lipka" is the
>> deminuitive form; the "C" is from "Christoph".)
>> ...
>
> BTW, pardon me for going off the off-topic topic, but is it just me, or
> are there really, really lots of guys named
> Cristoph/Cristopher/Christian/Chris around here? Has anyone ever
> calculated the Chris Quotient for this place?
I think the quotient is still comparatively low among the POV-Ray
/users/ - but the list of developers & contributors seems to be swarming
with them: There's Christopher Cason, Christoph Hormann and Christoph
Lipka among the active ones; plus past contributors Chris Dailey, Chris
Huff and Chris Young. Of all those contributors listed in POV-Ray's
startup message, we account for 15% thoughout all of POV-Ray's history,
and 37.5% for the 3.7 version.
Among the users, I've always found the high percentage of Steves and
Stephens striking; and the coincidence of both our Jims having the
initials J.H.
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From: Sherry Shaw
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is readingthesensorsincorrectly
Date: 26 Feb 2011 22:52:52
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<spock> Fascinating! </spock>
One wonders if perhaps an individual's being named Chris (or a variant)
tends to result in a fondness for computer graphics, or if it's a
generic tendency toward logical pursuits...? However, the "Steve"
connection may be clearly reflected here:
http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve
Do our parents hold the reins of our later lives by virtue of the names
with which they saddle us? It's a scary thought.
--Sherry "Just Horsing Around" Shaw
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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Either my computer's PSU has taken a dive, or SpeedFan is readingthesensorsincorrectly
Date: 27 Feb 2011 07:54:04
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On 2/26/2011 11:25 AM, Stephen wrote:
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> http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
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Looking at this, the +12 rail is indeed 12.xx, generally fluctuating
between 12.1 and 12.2, so I think it's perfectly OK. CPU's min max for
core 1 (the one that always seems to run the hottest) is around 98 and
idles at 46.
I believe this is junction temperature, the CPU measure from the
motherboard is about 86. System temp is about 37, ambient is around 22.
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