somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> news:4c5963dc@news.povray.org...

> >   For some reason I found this quite touching:
> >
> > http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/483318927.html

> Sounds like a bitter old mean guy to me.

  Look who's talking:

> Is there such a thing as a nice guy? Not really. There's a time when guys
> are naive, and there's a time when girls are naive. Girls grow up faster get
> over their naivete a few years sooner, so that may be the origin of nice guy
> myth. All guys want one thing, and all girls know what that one thing is.
> It's girls, any girls. Girls also know what they want, and that's successful
> boys. Such is how evolution programmed us all. All the rest is a coping
> mechanism.

  If there's bitterness and cynicism, it's right there in that paragraph,
I'd say. ;)

  (Seriously, though. The "all guys want one thing" is such a pervasive
myth that even many men have begun to believe it, even when it contradicts
their own personal experience.)

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                                                          - Warp

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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> somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> > "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> > news:4c5963dc@news.povray.org...

> > >   For some reason I found this quite touching:
> > >
> > > http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/483318927.html

> > Sounds like a bitter old mean guy to me.

>   Look who's talking:

Doesn't make it wrong though. You can even say "takes one to know one".

[...]

>   (Seriously, though. The "all guys want one thing" is such a pervasive
> myth that even many men have begun to believe it, even when it contradicts
> their own personal experience.)

To be fair, guys want many things, but all but one of those things are
really the stepping stones to get to that one thing.

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"somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> >   (Seriously, though. The "all guys want one thing" is such a pervasive
> > myth that even many men have begun to believe it, even when it contradicts
> > their own personal experience.)
>
> To be fair, guys want many things, but all but one of those things are
> really the stepping stones to get to that one thing.

oh, that wet, pulsating, warm, red heart... :)

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On 08/04/2010 10:46 AM, somebody wrote:
> All guys want one thing

Don't believe it. We live long lives on a densely populated planet. I 
think the instinct to procreate (or just to go through the motions) is 
less now that in the past.

> Girls also know what they want

No, again, IMO. Where you and I live, relative security is a given and 
survival of ones offspring is almost guaranteed. Most girls give little 
thought to tending their nests. More than guys, sure, but still not a lot.

  -Shay

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"Shay" <n@n.n> wrote in message news:4c5ae3b6$1@news.povray.org...
> On 08/04/2010 10:46 AM, somebody wrote:

> > All guys want one thing

> Don't believe it. We live long lives on a densely populated planet. I
> think the instinct to procreate (or just to go through the motions) is
> less now that in the past.

Who said anything about procreating? Men want sex. Procreation is a
programmed side effect.

> > Girls also know what they want

> No, again, IMO. Where you and I live, relative security is a given and
> survival of ones offspring is almost guaranteed. Most girls give little
> thought to tending their nests. More than guys, sure, but still not a lot.

First, competition in modern society is as fierce as ever. Whether we do
better as a whole compared to 100 or 10,000 years ago is immaterial. We all
compete with out contemporaries. And no matter how secure the baseline is,
natural instinct is for your offspring to be as secure as possible, not
merely as secure as the baseline.

Second, this is instinct, not rational thought. This is why female of our
species will always go for the stronger, more beautiful and more well to do
specimens *even when* it's merely for a one night protected stand. No woman
will prefer to spend the night with the weak, timid or poor (qualities often
misinterpreted as being "nice") if there's a choice (and why should they,
would men?).

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On 08/05/2010 07:04 PM, somebody wrote:
> "Shay"<n@n.n>  wrote in message news:4c5ae3b6$1@news.povray.org...
>> On 08/04/2010 10:46 AM, somebody wrote:
>
>>> All guys want one thing
>
>> Don't believe it. We live long lives on a densely populated planet. I
>> think the instinct to procreate (or just to go through the motions) is
>> less now that in the past.
>
> Who said anything about procreating? Men want sex. Procreation is a
> programmed side effect.

All guys want one thing: food
All guys want one thing: air
etc.

Or would you suggest that guys only want food and air so we can stay 
alive for more sex? I think the belief that all human (or animal, for 
that matter) inclinations can be traced back to some perfect and logical 
instinct is a load of crap.


> First, competition in modern society is as fierce as ever. Whether we do
> better as a whole compared to 100 or 10,000 years ago is immaterial. We all
> compete with out contemporaries. And no matter how secure the baseline is,
> natural instinct is for your offspring to be as secure as possible, not
> merely as secure as the baseline.

bs. Why is it that I prefer skinny women? They certainly won't make 
stronger babies. My guess is that my preference is a reaction to my 
environment.

> Second, this is instinct, not rational thought. This is why female of our
> species will always go for the stronger, more beautiful and more well to do
> specimens *even when* it's merely for a one night protected stand. No woman
> will prefer to spend the night with the weak, timid or poor (qualities often
> misinterpreted as being "nice") if there's a choice (and why should they,
> would men?).

"Nice guys" really do finish last, but it's not because they are weak or 
poor. I was born with a nack for attracting "good will." People around 
me just insisted on doing things for me ...

UNTIL I decided that I wanted these things. Then I'd throw a wrench into 
the works by acting under some of the same assumptions you've expressed 
here. I never really did figure it out on my own; Someone, several 
someones, had to show me what I was doing wrong.

You may be right about the timid, but look for the weak and poor guy 
with the "hot chick" next time you go out -- you'll see him.

  -Shay

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Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> > Who said anything about procreating? Men want sex. Procreation is a
> > programmed side effect.

> All guys want one thing: food
> All guys want one thing: air
> etc.

> Or would you suggest that guys only want food and air so we can stay 
> alive for more sex? I think the belief that all human (or animal, for 
> that matter) inclinations can be traced back to some perfect and logical 
> instinct is a load of crap.

  I think that the implication is "the only thing that men want *from a
relationship* is sex". The "from a relationship" being omitted shouldn't
be taken as the claim literally meaning that there's absolutely nothing
else on a man's mind than sex (which, rather obviously, cannot be the
case because it would be a physical impossibility, as a person would *die*
pretty quickly if he didn't think of *anything* else at all).

  Of course the claim is just not true. It might be true for *some*
individual males, who truly and honestly seek the company of the opposite
sex (or in some cases the same sex, or in even a fewer cases either will
do just fine) for the sole purpose of having sex and absolutely nothing
else *at all*. But they are probably a minority. And even in these few
cases it's probably only a very *temporary* thing (iow. it won't be like
that for the rest of their lives).

  In fact, I'm pretty certain that the human instinct of seeking company
is not so much related to sex as it is related to humans being a very
heavily social species. Humans *need* the company of other humans, or
they will simply go crazy (this is been clinically and scientifically
tested so many times that people have probably lost count). It might be
that from an evolutionary point of view the ultimate reason why people
need other people (or go crazy) is procreation and the survival of the
species, but even if that's so, that's usually not the major thing in
one's conscious mind when one seeks the company of others. In other words,
people are usually not *thinking* about sex and procreation when they
seek other people (which is what the original claim is about).

  Having someone to relate to, someone to talk with, is a psychologically
essential element of the human psyche. The vast majority of people,
including men, do not seek other people mainly for sex, but for company.
A man does not want primarily sex. A man wants a friend.

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                                                          - Warp

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"Shay" <n@n.n> wrote in message news:4c5c2990$1@news.povray.org...
> On 08/05/2010 07:04 PM, somebody wrote:

> > Who said anything about procreating? Men want sex. Procreation is a
> > programmed side effect.

> All guys want one thing: food
> All guys want one thing: air
> etc.

I think the context got lost somewhere. It was about what men want from
women and what women want from men...

> > First, competition in modern society is as fierce as ever. Whether we do
> > better as a whole compared to 100 or 10,000 years ago is immaterial. We
all
> > compete with out contemporaries. And no matter how secure the baseline
is,
> > natural instinct is for your offspring to be as secure as possible, not
> > merely as secure as the baseline.

> bs. Why is it that I prefer skinny women?

Because you find them sexy. Remember, you want sex, not procreation. Men are
not particularly picky, so their preference varies with the fashion.

> They certainly won't make
> stronger babies. My guess is that my preference is a reaction to my
> environment.

Correct you are there.

> > Second, this is instinct, not rational thought. This is why female of
our
> > species will always go for the stronger, more beautiful and more well to
do
> > specimens *even when* it's merely for a one night protected stand. No
woman
> > will prefer to spend the night with the weak, timid or poor (qualities
often
> > misinterpreted as being "nice") if there's a choice (and why should
they,
> > would men?).

> "Nice guys" really do finish last, but it's not because they are weak or
> poor. I was born with a nack for attracting "good will." People around
> me just insisted on doing things for me ...
>
> UNTIL I decided that I wanted these things. Then I'd throw a wrench into
> the works by acting under some of the same assumptions you've expressed
> here. I never really did figure it out on my own; Someone, several
> someones, had to show me what I was doing wrong.
>
> You may be right about the timid, but look for the weak and poor guy
> with the "hot chick" next time you go out -- you'll see him.

Sure, if they have redeeming qualities. Weak may be rich, poor may be
strong. Women ideally want rich and strong, but there are so many of those
to go around.

My point is, "nice" is meaningless, a non-factor. We are all nice, and we
are all not nice. Even Hitler was "nice" enough to hitch up with Eva Braun,
if you believe being nice earns points (did that cost me Godwin points?). In
fact, it doesn't, nor does it cost points. Those who claim nice guys finish
last confuse being nice with having the aforementioned "inferior"
(evolutionarily handicapping) qualities that drive women away.

A peacock that flaunts itself for the peahen is not being obnoxious, and
likewise, a peacock that fails to do that, for whatever reason, is not being
nice or considerate. A man who thinks that immitating the weaker of the
peacocks is a virtue is thus delusional.

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On 08/07/2010 01:42 AM, somebody wrote:
>
> Sure, if they have redeeming qualities. Weak may be rich, poor may be
> strong. Women ideally want rich and strong, but there are so many of those
> to go around.

Name three romantic leading men over 200 lbs. I can't name one.

>
> My point is, "nice" is meaningless, a non-factor. We are all nice, and we
> are all not nice.

No, "nice" is a factor, because "nice" guys don't communicate. "Nice" 
guys lie. "Nice" guys act interested when they're bored. "Nice" guys 
think they can get away with it and can never figure out why their 
deceitful human encounters go sideways.

  -Shay

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Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> No, "nice" is a factor, because "nice" guys don't communicate. "Nice" 
> guys lie. "Nice" guys act interested when they're bored. "Nice" guys 
> think they can get away with it and can never figure out why their 
> deceitful human encounters go sideways.

  It sounds like that your opinion is that there are only "nice men" and
"douchebags". The "nice men" are just liars, and the "douchebags" are,
well, douchebags.

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                                                          - Warp

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