This is the sort of thing I was talking about comparing running in soccer 
with running in american football.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814e003b/WK-14-Josh-Cribbs-highlight

And Cribbs isn't even particularly good. Altho I will say it seems the best 
runners all have dreadlocks. If you don't have someone on your team with 
dreadlocks, you just don't win many games.

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Darren New wrote:
> This is the sort of thing I was talking about comparing running in 
> soccer with running in american football.
> 
>
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814e003b/WK-14-Josh-Cribbs-highlight


You mean running in football vs running in handegg?

http://digg.com/football/Learn_the_Difference_Football_versus_Handegg

The difference is obvious:  you hold the egg while running vs kicking 
the ball while running.  The latter should prove much more difficult, 
which is why players keep passing the ball on to other players and 
kicking it great distance across the field to other players far beyond.

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nemesis wrote:
> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?

Yes, except I was trying to be communicative instead of sarcastic.

In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so calling 
it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it "football".

> The difference is obvious:  you hold the egg while running vs kicking 
> the ball while running.  

Not always. There's punts and kick-offs, and I don't think in soccer you 
have a bunch of people piling on top of you while you're running, or trying 
to snag the ball out of your hands.  Last I looked, straight-arming someone 
in the face while they're running is frowned upon in soccer, let alone 
actually jumping on top of them.

In soccer, people roll around on the ground pretending to be hurt so they 
can stop the clock long enough to catch their breath. If you stop the clock 
because you're hurt in gridiron, you get taken off the field and you don't 
come back, at least until you've lost the ball and gotten it back again.

> The latter should prove much more difficult, 
> which is why players keep passing the ball on to other players and 
> kicking it great distance across the field to other players far beyond.

Yes. We call that hand-offs and passes.

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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
> 
> In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so 
> calling it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it "football".

I disagree.  I don't see much foot in american football.  Nor that thing 
looks much like a ball.

> In soccer, people roll around on the ground pretending to be hurt so 
> they can stop the clock long enough to catch their breath. If you stop 
> the clock because you're hurt in gridiron, you get taken off the field 
> and you don't come back, at least until you've lost the ball and gotten 
> it back again.


things like these are common:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jgyugzLdbng/R8N4_-MFQdI/AAAAAAAABKE/ZF3uQX_qzis/s400/soccer+injury.jpg
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/the-most-horrific-soccer-injury-oupa-ngulube-breaks-leg-in-half.jpg

when players target the opponent rather than the ball.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> In soccer, people roll around on the ground pretending to be hurt so they 
> can stop the clock long enough to catch their breath.

  That's one of the reasons why I like (American) football and ice hockey
more than soccer. The former two are very rough physical sports where tackling
is actually part of the sport and the rules, yet players seldom pretend being
hurt if they really aren't (in ice hockey they sometimes try to pretend they
were tripped over by an opponent against the rules, but even then they don't
pretend being hurt).

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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
>>
>> In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so 
>> calling it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it 
>> "football".
> 
> I disagree.  I don't see much foot in american football.  Nor that thing 
> looks much like a ball.

I wasn't talking about american football. I'm talking about people who say 
"it isn't soccer, it's football!"  That's like saying "It isn't nine-ball, 
it's billiards!"

> things like these are common:
> when players target the opponent rather than the ball.

Yeah, but it's frowned upon. ;-)

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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> In soccer, people roll around on the ground pretending to be hurt so they 
>> can stop the clock long enough to catch their breath.
> 
>   That's one of the reasons why I like (American) football and ice hockey
> more than soccer. The former two are very rough physical sports where tackling
> is actually part of the sport and the rules, yet players seldom pretend being
> hurt if they really aren't (in ice hockey they sometimes try to pretend they
> were tripped over by an opponent against the rules, but even then they don't
> pretend being hurt).

Yup. At least in football, you (the player, not the team) lose the play if 
you hold up the game for an injury. You're not allowed to say "I'm hurt, 
hold on, ok, I'm ready."  You have to leave the field until the rules say 
it's OK for you to come back on, which is after the other team has had the 
ball and now you get it back again.

Yeah. I've been looking at a lot of different sports lately. I like football 
best because it's very physical, yet there's also a lot of planning. In 
soccer and basketball, there's a lot of action, but I don't think people 
stop and say "Ok, in this next one, you pretend to pass to joe, but actually 
kick it backwards to Sam, who can run around to the left and then fire it 
over to Bill."  That sort of thing happens all the time in american 
football. There doesn't seem to be any "clever" in baseball, soccer, or 
basketball. Lots of quick decisions and activity, but no "clever." At least 
not that I see.

And baseball?  The game where the only two people who plays every play? 
Their goal is to keep anything exciting from happening?  That's OK. :-)

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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> nemesis wrote:
>>>> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
>>>
>>> In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so 
>>> calling it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it 
>>> "football".
>>
>> I disagree.  I don't see much foot in american football.  Nor that 
>> thing looks much like a ball.
> 
> I wasn't talking about american football. I'm talking about people who 
> say "it isn't soccer, it's football!"  That's like saying "It isn't 
> nine-ball, it's billiards!"

Is soccer even a word?  Football describes "soccer" better to me, but 
not american football.  But it's ok to keep up with the dogmas of one's 
favorite religion.

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nemesis <nam### [at] nospam-gmailcom> wrote:
> Is soccer even a word?  Football describes "soccer" better to me, but 
> not american football.  But it's ok to keep up with the dogmas of one's 
> favorite religion.

  As far as I can see, the official name is "association football" (I have
no idea why it's named like that).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football

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nemesis wrote:
> Is soccer even a word? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer

 > Football describes "soccer" better to me,

It's definitely the most foot-oriented ball game, for sure.

> not american football.  

We call it football here. Europeans call it "American football". It's based 
on a game called "Grid iron", so you hear that too. Chinese call it "olive 
ball."

 > But it's ok to keep up with the dogmas of one's
> favorite religion.

If you'd rather I just call it "football" like the other 300 million people 
around me, without distinguishing it from what *you* call football, I'm 
happy to oblige. It's just going to be confusing as hell.

Thank you for your troll. It has been noted.

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