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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:41:12 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yay! We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally
>> going to get an episode of MC. Will grab it (should have shown up on
>> uknova by now?).
>>
>> Jim
>
> I won’t spoil it for you :)
It was *fantastic*. I have to admit, Jack Dee is quite good as the
chairman - and I didn't think he would be.
Jim
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:47:14 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
>>> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
>>
>> And at the same time, you say "I don't want to get the crap kicked out
>> of me by standing up for myself" - which to me DOESN'T sound like that
>> great of a place to live. Unless you like living in fear of having the
>> crap kicked out of you for standing up for yourself.
>
> Surely that's the some everywhere though? I mean, whether you're in
> London, Paris or Rome, upsetting people generally isn't a good idea.
And yet you let them upset YOU...No, that's NOT the same everywhere, and
several of us have attempted to explain that before. But you are so
*certain* that your perceptions of the world are the *only possible*
perceptions there could ever be that you're not willing to take a look at
the possibilities.
>> I understand that there are things you like about MK. I also
>> understand that you haven't actually seen a lot of the world, so your
>> decision- making being based on what you know is what's limiting you.
>
> I've been to a number of random cities around the country. Hell, I've
> even been to places in other countries. The nice thing about Switzerland
> is the skiing. But if it weren't for the skiing and the snow, there
> would be absolutely no reason to go there - and I would certainly never
> ever want to live there, even if it were somehow possible to ski every
> single day, all year round.
And yet there are plenty of people in Switzerland who have jobs even like
the jobs you and I have. But you've been there to ski, and that's great
- but you should expand your experience a little and not just think of
Switzerland as a place to ski, but as a place that people live (and from
what I've heard, have pretty good lives).
> Similarly, I enjoy visiting places in London such as the Natural History
> Museum and the Royal Albert Hall, but London itself is an unpleasent
> inconvenience that I have to go through to get to these places. It's
> certainly not somewhere I'd choose to hang around.
>
> And then there are places like Liverpool and Lincoln, which I also only
> visit because there's something there I want. I certainly don't hang
> around for the city itself. Brrr!
Working there != hanging around there, but I do understand what you mean
by not wanting to try to get around London on a daily basis. I've seen
the traffic there, and paying congestion charges is something I'd want to
avoid.
>>> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
>>> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot
>>> of people...
>>
>> Nobody in MK perhaps, which is why you maybe need to broaden your
>> search parameters - and not just by fields, but by geography.
>>
>> That's my point, and one you have rather persistently not seen.
>
> Well sure, if I go live in London I'm sure there are bucket-loads of
> programming jobs. The point is that I don't *want* to ever have to live
> in London if humanly possible. What's complicated about that?
You don't have to *live* someplace to *work* there. My office is 45
miles south of me; I go there about once every two weeks or so.
> Hell, if I move to Germany, I could hypothetically go work for Native
> Instruments. (I mean, if it weren't for the fact that this is obviously
> impossible.) But then I'd have to live in Germany, which would kind of
> negate the benefits.
I know quite a few people in Germany who would see it different; and why
would it be "obviously impossible" anyways? Other than the fact that you
believe it is, so therefore it must be true?
Jim
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:27:31 +0100, andrel wrote:
>> Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
>> manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
>
> AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
> not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
And there's nothing to say that the "most of the populous" in MK who are
employed are not in a similar boat (even some of them). Everyone hates
their job from time to time, and some people hate their jobs constantly;
Andy's not the only person in the world who hates his job and wants a new
one.
Jim
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>>> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
>>> about that country are simply inappropriate.
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
>> living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm allowed
>> an opinion aren't I?
>
> Are you sure it is "aren't I"? Anyway, yes you are allowed an opinion,
> my problem is prejudice. This was just that, a negative opinion based on
> no facts at all.
Foreign people make me nervous. Fact. Living in Germany would mean that
I am surrounded by such people constantly. Fact. So I probably wouldn't
like Germany. Not a fact, but a reasonable supposition, I'd say.
>> Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
>> manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
>
> AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
> not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
Who says I'm not prepaid to change my job?
Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for another
job? Would I do that if I wasn't prepaid to change?
> Put another way: normally I am prepared to accept anybody's statement on
> what they feel and think, but in this case I think you are simply scared
> to death by the idea of change, no matter what you say.
I'd say I'm more scared of the idea of *not* changing - that what I have
now is all my life is ever going to be. But you presumably aren't going
to believe me.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> I've been to a number of random cities around the country. Hell, I've
>> even been to places in other countries. The nice thing about Switzerland
>> is the skiing. But if it weren't for the skiing and the snow, there
>> would be absolutely no reason to go there - and I would certainly never
>> ever want to live there, even if it were somehow possible to ski every
>> single day, all year round.
>
> And yet there are plenty of people in Switzerland who have jobs even like
> the jobs you and I have. But you've been there to ski, and that's great
> - but you should expand your experience a little and not just think of
> Switzerland as a place to ski, but as a place that people live (and from
> what I've heard, have pretty good lives).
It depends on what you like.
I gather that there are people who actually *like* travelling. People
who pay to go on round the world cruises. Personally, I'd hate that. But
that's OK; people are different.
There are people who *want* to live in the south of France, because it's
very sunny there. Personally, I hate hot weather. It would drive me mad!
But hey, that's why I'm not moving to the south of France, right?
And I am completely confident that there are plenty of people who'd
*love* to live and work in Switzerland. (It would be kind of an empty
country otherwise...) Doesn't mean I'd like it though.
>> Well sure, if I go live in London I'm sure there are bucket-loads of
>> programming jobs. The point is that I don't *want* to ever have to live
>> in London if humanly possible. What's complicated about that?
>
> You don't have to *live* someplace to *work* there. My office is 45
> miles south of me; I go there about once every two weeks or so.
...which is about the distance I currently travel too, yes. I'd like to
*avoid* all this travelling if possible. It's expensive and it's a huge
waste of my time.
>> Hell, if I move to Germany, I could hypothetically go work for Native
>> Instruments. (I mean, if it weren't for the fact that this is obviously
>> impossible.) But then I'd have to live in Germany, which would kind of
>> negate the benefits.
>
> I know quite a few people in Germany who would see it different;
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that maybe that's *why*
they're in Germany? ;-)
> and why would it be "obviously impossible" anyways?
Because ordinary people don't get to work in cool places like that. Only
special people. I'm not special. (Not that way, anyway...)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
>> not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
>
> Who says I'm not prepaid to change my job?
>
> Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for another
> job? Would I do that if I wasn't prepaid to change?
It would be awesome if I was pre-paid to change things...
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>> Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for another
>> job? Would I do that if I wasn't prepaid to change?
>
> It would be awesome if I was pre-paid to change things...
*facepalm*
What can I say? It's saturday night. (Or at least it is here...)
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On 28-11-2009 21:09, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
>>>> about that country are simply inappropriate.
>>>
>>> There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
>>> living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm
>>> allowed an opinion aren't I?
>>
>> Are you sure it is "aren't I"? Anyway, yes you are allowed an opinion,
>> my problem is prejudice. This was just that, a negative opinion based
>> on no facts at all.
>
> Foreign people make me nervous. Fact.
When you live in another country you'd be the foreigner. ;)
More seriously: why do we make you nervous and where do you draw the
line? non english speaking? Scots? people from outside MK?
> Living in Germany would mean that
> I am surrounded by such people constantly. Fact. So I probably wouldn't
> like Germany. Not a fact, but a reasonable supposition, I'd say.
>
>>> Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
>>> manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
>>
>> AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
>> not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
>
> Who says I'm not prepaid to change my job?
>
> Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for another
> job?
yes. How many miles from your home was that?
> Would I do that if I wasn't prepaid to change?
>
>> Put another way: normally I am prepared to accept anybody's statement
>> on what they feel and think, but in this case I think you are simply
>> scared to death by the idea of change, no matter what you say.
>
> I'd say I'm more scared of the idea of *not* changing - that what I have
> now is all my life is ever going to be. But you presumably aren't going
> to believe me.
Not really, not as long as you persist in having totally unrealistic
requirement for a new job, like being able to commute from his mother's
home.
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>> Foreign people make me nervous. Fact.
>
> When you live in another country you'd be the foreigner. ;)
Hell yes. ;-)
> More seriously: why do we make you nervous and where do you draw the
> line? non english speaking? Scots? people from outside MK?
People with an accent that's difficult to understand, basically.
Communicating with people is intimidating enough already...
>> Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for
>> another job?
>
> yes. How many miles from your home was that?
That one just happened to be quite close by. I sent out applications to
half a dozen jobs, and it just so happens that the only people who
bothered to reply were quite near. I didn't plan it that way.
>> I'd say I'm more scared of the idea of *not* changing - that what I
>> have now is all my life is ever going to be. But you presumably aren't
>> going to believe me.
>
> Not really, not as long as you persist in having totally unrealistic
> requirement for a new job, like being able to commute from his mother's
> home.
Right. Because having a job near to where I live is *obviously* a
"totally unrealistic requirement". WTF?
--
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On 29-11-2009 11:53, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Foreign people make me nervous. Fact.
>>
>> When you live in another country you'd be the foreigner. ;)
>
> Hell yes. ;-)
>
>> More seriously: why do we make you nervous and where do you draw the
>> line? non english speaking? Scots? people from outside MK?
>
> People with an accent that's difficult to understand, basically.
> Communicating with people is intimidating enough already...
So that even excludes living in Whales, Ireland, Scotland Australia, NZ
and the US and pretty much everywhere else where they speak English.
Actually people in some countries on mainland Europe (Denmark, Germany,
the Netherlands...) might be much easier to understand for you than e.g.
a Scot. At least they are for me ;)
Let me also tell you this: an accent is the least of your (=anyone's)
problems in communication. Much more important is if they are friendly
and prepared to take you seriously and listen to what you say. There is
no point in 'communicating' with someone that you understand every word
of, when the sequence of those words implies that he doesn't give a ****
what your opinion is.
>>> I'd say I'm more scared of the idea of *not* changing - that what I
>>> have now is all my life is ever going to be. But you presumably
>>> aren't going to believe me.
>>
>> Not really, not as long as you persist in having totally unrealistic
>> requirement for a new job, like being able to commute from his
>> mother's home.
>
> Right. Because having a job near to where I live is *obviously* a
> "totally unrealistic requirement". WTF?
What is unrealistic is assuming you will find a satisfying job within
that area. Most people are prepared to move if they can get a good job
that is beyond commuting distance. They only common exception are people
with spouses that also work, then you have to find a place where both
can have a job.
As far as we know you don't have a girlfriend and the only reason to
stay where you live would be that you definitely don't want to leave
your mother. Not sure if that is the case. Money is not an acceptable
excuse because most jobs that you are qualified for will pay enough to
rent a small place for yourself. Probably not your dream home yet, so
pick a place where you can have a career. And don't wait too long.
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