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One of your main character faults is that you judge things that you have
never seen.
Sure, there may be places in London that you don't want to live, but
there are also places that you could happily live in. London is simply
too big to lump it all together. Especially not if your only experience
is from a casual visit to the city center.
I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
about that country are simply inappropriate.
I don't recall that you have visited Amsterdam or the Netherlands in
general. Again there are places you don't want to live in but also
places that are much better than MK on an objective scale, though
possibly not yours. Same for France (though they have the added problem
of no speaking English) or Switzerland or Finland or...
Aside from that, there is still that problem that you may want to live
somewhere but you also have to work there. ATM you are moderately not
unhappy not to live outside MK, but you don't want to work there. If you
move to another place where they do have an interesting and fulfilling
job, you may have to move. So you won't live where you want to. Or do
you? Is there any guarantee that after living there for a few months you
still won't like the place?
Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
not have a name. Anyone knows?
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andrel wrote:
> One of your main character faults is that you judge things that you have
> never seen.
So unless I've visited every single city, town, village and hamlet on
the entire face of the Earth, I'm not entitled to have an opinion?
Any specific reason why this only applies to me?
> Sure, there may be places in London that you don't want to live, but
> there are also places that you could happily live in. London is simply
> too big to lump it all together. Especially not if your only experience
> is from a casual visit to the city center.
My grandparents live in Harrow. I'm fairly sure that isn't central London.
Due to my sister moving around the place a lot, I've also spent a
certain amount of time in a number of other parts of the country -
Reading, Guildford, Hull, Manchester, etc. Didn't like any of them.
> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
> about that country are simply inappropriate.
There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm allowed
an opinion aren't I?
Switzerland I've visited. (I've been "in" France, but only by sitting
inside a moving car. That doesn't really count for much.) It's a
pleasent enough place to visit, but I wouldn't want to have to live there.
> Aside from that, there is still that problem that you may want to live
> somewhere but you also have to work there.
Agreed.
Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
> ATM you are moderately not
> unhappy not to live outside MK, but you don't want to work there.
Um... is that a triple-negative? I'm having trouble resolving exactly
what the meaning of this sentence is.
> If you
> move to another place where they do have an interesting and fulfilling
> job, you may have to move.
If I move, I may have to move? Interesting tautology... But I think I
get what you're saying.
> Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
> clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
> not have a name. Anyone knows?
Xenophobia? *shrugs*
Besides, technically a phobia is when you're "afraid" of something, not
just when you "don't want" something. It's not that I'm afraid of living
somewhere else, just that I don't particularly want to.
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On 27-11-2009 11:12, Invisible wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> One of your main character faults is that you judge things that you
>> have never seen.
>
> So unless I've visited every single city, town, village and hamlet on
> the entire face of the Earth, I'm not entitled to have an opinion?
No, you should simply refrain from voicing a negative opinion on
something you don't know.
> Any specific reason why this only applies to me?
It applies to everybody.
>> Sure, there may be places in London that you don't want to live, but
>> there are also places that you could happily live in. London is simply
>> too big to lump it all together. Especially not if your only
>> experience is from a casual visit to the city center.
>
> My grandparents live in Harrow. I'm fairly sure that isn't central London.
don't know, never been there.
> Due to my sister moving around the place a lot, I've also spent a
> certain amount of time in a number of other parts of the country -
> Reading, Guildford, Hull, Manchester, etc. Didn't like any of them.
>
>> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
>> about that country are simply inappropriate.
>
> There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
> living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm allowed
> an opinion aren't I?
Are you sure it is "aren't I"? Anyway, yes you are allowed an opinion,
my problem is prejudice. This was just that, a negative opinion based on
no facts at all.
> Switzerland I've visited. (I've been "in" France, but only by sitting
> inside a moving car. That doesn't really count for much.) It's a
> pleasant enough place to visit, but I wouldn't want to have to live there.
>
>> Aside from that, there is still that problem that you may want to live
>> somewhere but you also have to work there.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
> manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
>> ATM you are moderately not unhappy not to live outside MK, but you
>> don't want to work there.
>
> Um... is that a triple-negative?
It was intended as a quadruple-negative.
> I'm having trouble resolving exactly
> what the meaning of this sentence is.
Oh come on, dust of your boolean skills.
"you are moderately happy to live in MK'"
>> If you move to another place where they do have an interesting and
>> fulfilling job, you may have to move.
>
> If I move, I may have to move? Interesting tautology... But I think I
> get what you're saying.
>
>> Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
>> clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
>> not have a name. Anyone knows?
>
> Xenophobia? *shrugs*
That is normally used for people afraid of meeting foreigners in their
own country not for people afraid of meeting foreigners in their own
country. D*mn is there a way to phrase this in an unambiguous way? This
clearly isn't.
> Besides, technically a phobia is when you're "afraid" of something, not
> just when you "don't want" something. It's not that I'm afraid of living
> somewhere else, just that I don't particularly want to.
I meant the "afraid" interpretation. You may say that it is "just that I
don't particularly want to" what you communicate is that there is no way
that you will ever be prepared to even consider moving. Even is someone
asks you to fly to the states, you said that you rather quit your job
than do that (though indeed later on you managed to go to Switzerland).
Put another way: normally I am prepared to accept anybody's statement on
what they feel and think, but in this case I think you are simply scared
to death by the idea of change, no matter what you say.
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:28:38 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>>> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country
>>>> in the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
>>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
>>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
>>
>> Then you don't understand what SF is all about very well, and you're
>> prejudging based on, I don't know, movies you've seen that are
>> supposedly set in SF?
>
> The thing about the flowers was supposed to be entertaining.
It was....
> I'm just
> saying that, while other people might like it, I personally don't want
> to live in SF.
Even though you don't know what it's really like?
Jim
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:41:12 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yay! We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally
>> going to get an episode of MC. Will grab it (should have shown up on
>> uknova by now?).
>>
>> Jim
>
> I won’t spoil it for you :)
It was *fantastic*. I have to admit, Jack Dee is quite good as the
chairman - and I didn't think he would be.
Jim
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:47:14 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
>>> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
>>
>> And at the same time, you say "I don't want to get the crap kicked out
>> of me by standing up for myself" - which to me DOESN'T sound like that
>> great of a place to live. Unless you like living in fear of having the
>> crap kicked out of you for standing up for yourself.
>
> Surely that's the some everywhere though? I mean, whether you're in
> London, Paris or Rome, upsetting people generally isn't a good idea.
And yet you let them upset YOU...No, that's NOT the same everywhere, and
several of us have attempted to explain that before. But you are so
*certain* that your perceptions of the world are the *only possible*
perceptions there could ever be that you're not willing to take a look at
the possibilities.
>> I understand that there are things you like about MK. I also
>> understand that you haven't actually seen a lot of the world, so your
>> decision- making being based on what you know is what's limiting you.
>
> I've been to a number of random cities around the country. Hell, I've
> even been to places in other countries. The nice thing about Switzerland
> is the skiing. But if it weren't for the skiing and the snow, there
> would be absolutely no reason to go there - and I would certainly never
> ever want to live there, even if it were somehow possible to ski every
> single day, all year round.
And yet there are plenty of people in Switzerland who have jobs even like
the jobs you and I have. But you've been there to ski, and that's great
- but you should expand your experience a little and not just think of
Switzerland as a place to ski, but as a place that people live (and from
what I've heard, have pretty good lives).
> Similarly, I enjoy visiting places in London such as the Natural History
> Museum and the Royal Albert Hall, but London itself is an unpleasent
> inconvenience that I have to go through to get to these places. It's
> certainly not somewhere I'd choose to hang around.
>
> And then there are places like Liverpool and Lincoln, which I also only
> visit because there's something there I want. I certainly don't hang
> around for the city itself. Brrr!
Working there != hanging around there, but I do understand what you mean
by not wanting to try to get around London on a daily basis. I've seen
the traffic there, and paying congestion charges is something I'd want to
avoid.
>>> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
>>> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot
>>> of people...
>>
>> Nobody in MK perhaps, which is why you maybe need to broaden your
>> search parameters - and not just by fields, but by geography.
>>
>> That's my point, and one you have rather persistently not seen.
>
> Well sure, if I go live in London I'm sure there are bucket-loads of
> programming jobs. The point is that I don't *want* to ever have to live
> in London if humanly possible. What's complicated about that?
You don't have to *live* someplace to *work* there. My office is 45
miles south of me; I go there about once every two weeks or so.
> Hell, if I move to Germany, I could hypothetically go work for Native
> Instruments. (I mean, if it weren't for the fact that this is obviously
> impossible.) But then I'd have to live in Germany, which would kind of
> negate the benefits.
I know quite a few people in Germany who would see it different; and why
would it be "obviously impossible" anyways? Other than the fact that you
believe it is, so therefore it must be true?
Jim
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:27:31 +0100, andrel wrote:
>> Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
>> manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
>
> AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
> not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
And there's nothing to say that the "most of the populous" in MK who are
employed are not in a similar boat (even some of them). Everyone hates
their job from time to time, and some people hate their jobs constantly;
Andy's not the only person in the world who hates his job and wants a new
one.
Jim
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>>> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
>>> about that country are simply inappropriate.
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
>> living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm allowed
>> an opinion aren't I?
>
> Are you sure it is "aren't I"? Anyway, yes you are allowed an opinion,
> my problem is prejudice. This was just that, a negative opinion based on
> no facts at all.
Foreign people make me nervous. Fact. Living in Germany would mean that
I am surrounded by such people constantly. Fact. So I probably wouldn't
like Germany. Not a fact, but a reasonable supposition, I'd say.
>> Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
>> manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
>
> AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
> not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
Who says I'm not prepaid to change my job?
Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for another
job? Would I do that if I wasn't prepaid to change?
> Put another way: normally I am prepared to accept anybody's statement on
> what they feel and think, but in this case I think you are simply scared
> to death by the idea of change, no matter what you say.
I'd say I'm more scared of the idea of *not* changing - that what I have
now is all my life is ever going to be. But you presumably aren't going
to believe me.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> I've been to a number of random cities around the country. Hell, I've
>> even been to places in other countries. The nice thing about Switzerland
>> is the skiing. But if it weren't for the skiing and the snow, there
>> would be absolutely no reason to go there - and I would certainly never
>> ever want to live there, even if it were somehow possible to ski every
>> single day, all year round.
>
> And yet there are plenty of people in Switzerland who have jobs even like
> the jobs you and I have. But you've been there to ski, and that's great
> - but you should expand your experience a little and not just think of
> Switzerland as a place to ski, but as a place that people live (and from
> what I've heard, have pretty good lives).
It depends on what you like.
I gather that there are people who actually *like* travelling. People
who pay to go on round the world cruises. Personally, I'd hate that. But
that's OK; people are different.
There are people who *want* to live in the south of France, because it's
very sunny there. Personally, I hate hot weather. It would drive me mad!
But hey, that's why I'm not moving to the south of France, right?
And I am completely confident that there are plenty of people who'd
*love* to live and work in Switzerland. (It would be kind of an empty
country otherwise...) Doesn't mean I'd like it though.
>> Well sure, if I go live in London I'm sure there are bucket-loads of
>> programming jobs. The point is that I don't *want* to ever have to live
>> in London if humanly possible. What's complicated about that?
>
> You don't have to *live* someplace to *work* there. My office is 45
> miles south of me; I go there about once every two weeks or so.
...which is about the distance I currently travel too, yes. I'd like to
*avoid* all this travelling if possible. It's expensive and it's a huge
waste of my time.
>> Hell, if I move to Germany, I could hypothetically go work for Native
>> Instruments. (I mean, if it weren't for the fact that this is obviously
>> impossible.) But then I'd have to live in Germany, which would kind of
>> negate the benefits.
>
> I know quite a few people in Germany who would see it different;
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that maybe that's *why*
they're in Germany? ;-)
> and why would it be "obviously impossible" anyways?
Because ordinary people don't get to work in cool places like that. Only
special people. I'm not special. (Not that way, anyway...)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
>> not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
>
> Who says I'm not prepaid to change my job?
>
> Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for another
> job? Would I do that if I wasn't prepaid to change?
It would be awesome if I was pre-paid to change things...
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