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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> Sarcastic, but you get the idea ;)
>>
>> ....Chambers
>
> Oh, you mean all these kind of theories are crap? maybe at a glance but
> if you dig it, it starts to make sense and is kinda of fun, specially in
> a well done movie.
I mean, the kind of willful distortion of Asimov's writings that I
portrayed is analogous to how this movie is portraying 2012. It's not
remotely accurate, but *they claim it is*.
I don't mind fun movies that admit they're having fun. I get seriously
annoyed by movies which claim a certain credibility that they lack (re:
Disney for more examples of this).
...Chambers
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Chambers wrote:
> I mean, the kind of willful distortion of Asimov's writings that I
> portrayed is analogous to how this movie is portraying 2012. It's not
> remotely accurate, but *they claim it is*.
Oh I see, yeah, is kinda of disappointing to see a movie with that
background, but at least will be fun :)
> I don't mind fun movies that admit they're having fun. I get seriously
> annoyed by movies which claim a certain credibility that they lack (re:
> Disney for more examples of this).
I don't get seriously annoyed by people anymore, if they're not prone to
reason then why try? they don't want to understand you, is "their truth"
better than yours, when truth is only 1, like love, either you're in or
out of it and I find true the saying: "Sit peacefully at the river side
and you'll see the corps of your enemy pass floating by", so my advice:
don't bitter your life in vane, consequences are on their way....
Cheers.
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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> I mean, the kind of willful distortion of Asimov's writings that I
>> portrayed is analogous to how this movie is portraying 2012. It's not
>> remotely accurate, but *they claim it is*.
>
> Oh I see, yeah, is kinda of disappointing to see a movie with that
> background, but at least will be fun :)
>
>> I don't mind fun movies that admit they're having fun. I get
>> seriously annoyed by movies which claim a certain credibility that
>> they lack (re: Disney for more examples of this).
>
> I don't get seriously annoyed by people anymore, if they're not prone to
> reason then why try? they don't want to understand you, is "their truth"
> better than yours, when truth is only 1, like love, either you're in or
> out of it and I find true the saying: "Sit peacefully at the river side
> and you'll see the corps of your enemy pass floating by", so my advice:
> don't bitter your life in vane, consequences are on their way....
>
> Cheers.
The reason people care is due to the unfortunate fact that, if you sit
peacefully at the river, you may find yourself floating by, because,
quite frankly, the sort of people that reject reality so drastically
consider **you**, as someone that embraces it, a more serious enemy than
the guy next door, who simply has a different crazy idea. This has been
described by one blogger as "cranks flock together", and he gives a
clear example of two loonies, both of which consider modern medicine to
be an evil conspiracy, and work *together* to fight against each others
windmill enemies, while having completely contradictory, and apposing,
opinions on what it should be replaced with.
Or, to put it another way, for people that think the world is going to
end, it doesn't matter to them if it ends next week, last tuesday, but
no one noticed, or 2012, it only matter that it is **going** to end, and
that you don't believe them. **All** of them consider you, me, and
anyone else that says end of world prophecies are BS to be enemies, and
if they get annoyed enough, they will screw all of us, then worry about
which one had the right date. Same with all other forms of crankism.
As long as they have one single point of agreement, they will fight
tooth and nail against that *enemy*, real or imaginary, and only *then*
bother to attack each other. The Art of War presumes that all opponents
are intelligent, practical, well read, militarily competent, people. An
idiot will simply show up and cut your head off, while their neighbors
burn down their own castle, because they consider your, sitting one the
bank of the river, as some sort of horrible offense, so great that all
other concerns not only can be, but must be, ignored until your are
dead. This only gets worse if you have 3-4 such fools, all convinced you
are a huge threat, and all of them clueless about their own failure to
deal with the reality of their situations. You get 3-4 burning castles,
and 3-4 morons standing over your corpse, oblivious to their own
disasters, saying, "Hah! That will show you!"
Mind, modern fools are less dangerous to life and limb, but instead,
especially in the US, it generates a wave of clueless
anti-intellectualism, wacko ideas, etc., that make it look like the
worst examples of ancient Fakir, patent medicines, spiritualist
ectoplasms, religious idiocy, and irrational fear. If you are into
selling fake "left behind" packs for holy soldiers to keep for when they
need to continue the fight, should they fail to get raptured, or a
billion other stupidities, great! If you plan to fix education, fix the
environment (in a way that isn't gibberish from enviro-wackos), fix the
economy, fix health care, or fix anything that *matters*, then there are
100 million idiots that think the useless stuff is just as important as
the important stuff, because they literally can't tell the difference,
and a certain percentage of the truly lost, who argue, convincingly, for
far too many people, that we don't *need* to fix some of this stuff,
especially education, but rather that we would be "better off" if people
where stupider, by making sure most of this idiocy was taught as
"alternatives" to reality, in schools.
Lets put it this way. Someone in ancient times writes something about
sacrificing virgins, which lands in the lap of two influential people,
one in a society that doesn't do such things, the other in one where its
common place. Which one would **you** be more worried about reading it?
That is *almost* how bad things have gotten in the US. The level of pure
crazy is so bad that you can show people in other countries some of the
stuff that is believed as "common" ideas by some politicians and
important people here, and the disconnect from reality involve leaves
them either concluding that the US is one giant insane asylum, or that
it has to be some sort of joke, and no one can possibly believe it. Why?
Because such people stand on street corners in places like Australia,
collecting random change, not running for a frakking Senate seat, like
they do in the US.
If this movie was released in some other country, it would be seen as
harmless. Here... You could, literally, make a movie that proclaimed
that the world ended last Tuesday, and find some loony group some place
with 400-500 members, who would say, "See! We have been saying this all
along." The world ending in 2012? That isn't fiction to many people. Its
so damn mainstream that you can find right wing Christians (and I have
met them), as well as even some liberal ones (also met some of them),
that think its proof of the even more overblown, made up, and tacked on
later, gibberish in their own Bible. There are probably tens of
thousands in the US that, if they don't actually 100% believe it, never
the less are freaked out, and at least fearful, that its actually true.
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>When are these people going to finally give up and decide their nonsense is
>BS, instead of selling the idea to more people?
In February 2013...
when they come up with some new BS to replace the old BS.
I predict that Armegedon will not occur durring 2012,
God likes a good joke too much to deliver his punchlines on cue.
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Well man, I didn't know that reality about US, well IMO there are all
kinds of people all over the world, maybe one group being bigger in some
places than others, but I think you're a little worked up by this people
and maybe you are given them exactly what they want from people that
don't share their believes.
I like this attitude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhF7dQl4Ico
so I'd fight back if I get attacked but I won't be defined by the
violent and stupid behavior of unreasonable morons, I'll say my peace if
and when the opportunity present itself and reasonable people will
understand and calm down, so people like us that see things clearer and
pragmatically should patiently speak on opportunity.
The darker the darkness the brighter the light, so let's raise it as
high as we can so others can see it.
IMHO people who wants peace, harmony, prosperity and higher life quality
should also be of reason and consequence, teaching this principles to
less illuminated people so they can also see reality. Many things affect
people and fill them with all kinds of fears and uncertainties
surrounded by all kinds of dis-/information and other fearful and
doubtful people, so some sort underlaying passive paranoia is not
unexpected.
The person's character should always prevail to the last second of our
life, if they break your indestructible core *then* they have broke you
and won. And by character I mean the very best part of you.
Cheers.
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*if let them* break your indestructible core *then* they have broke you
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*if YOU let them*
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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Well man, I didn't know that reality about US, well IMO there are all
> kinds of people all over the world, maybe one group being bigger in some
> places than others, but I think you're a little worked up by this people
> and maybe you are given them exactly what they want from people that
> don't share their believes.
>
Poor assumption. What you get from these people is that they have gotten
rich off of being the way they are, which involves belief also in their
divine right to rule, etc., which means 1) exploitation, 2) cheating, 3)
lying for their god, 4) making masses of money from these things, 5)
being convinced that, since the world will end, they don't need to "do"
anything about things like health care, poverty, the environment, etc.
The #1 biggest group of idiots in the US that a) own large businesses,
and b) deny the need to fix various problems we have, are also people
that think all the problems are "signs of the coming end", and that
apposing them is actually counter to what their god wants.
That is the real problem. When you expect the world to end any day, you
are not going to be inclined to make 10, 20, 100 year plans, or more, to
"fix" serious problems. You are not going to invest in alternative
energy which you will never need, you won't bother trying to improve the
health, well being, or poverty level, of other people, since they won't
be alive, based on your belief, long enough to benefit from any of it.
All you can do is try to kiss ass, so you are not one of the "left
behind" when things go to hell, and that means opposing abortions,
apposing gay marriage, etc., to these people, not *helping* to make
anything better. If it doesn't happen, you just change the date, and
continue "hating the sins", while screwing everyone around you, until
the next day comes and goes. Don't attribute some ulterior motive to
these people, I know a fair number that "used to be" them, and they will
flat out tell you that they **believed** all of it 100%, until they
figured out just how badly they had been lied to from birth, about
almost everything, and how much pure insanity was necessary to maintain
that belief.
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Patrick Elliott schrieb:
> I know a fair number that "used to be" them, and they will
> flat out tell you that they **believed** all of it 100%, until they
> figured out just how badly they had been lied to from birth, about
> almost everything, and how much pure insanity was necessary to maintain
> that belief.
Word.
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Poor assumption.
Well since I don't leave in US I think this is understandable, so things
are worse than this... yeah, is a matter of concern.
> What you get from these people is that they have gotten
> rich off of being the way they are, which involves belief also in their
> divine right to rule, etc., which means 1) exploitation, 2) cheating, 3)
> lying for their god, 4) making masses of money from these things, 5)
> being convinced that, since the world will end, they don't need to "do"
> anything about things like health care, poverty, the environment, etc.
> The #1 biggest group of idiots in the US that a) own large businesses,
> and b) deny the need to fix various problems we have, are also people
> that think all the problems are "signs of the coming end", and that
> apposing them is actually counter to what their god wants.
IMO, Inherent human imperfection causes God guidelines
misinterpretations, voluntarily or not, so followers of a faulty
interpretation in turn misinterpret again, purposely or not, further
misinterpretation gives the religious radicals, all these from a lack of
humbleness also inherent to Humans. Cause of imperfection: imperfect way
of love. I don't spec you to share this opinion, as you're an Atheist,
but I wrote it in case you wonder why the foolish religious behavior.
What those religious people should do is actually prepare their souls
and "Love God above all and YOUR PROXY AS YOURSELF", this is for
Christians but I think can be applied to every religion; giving a crap,
is not part of any religion AFAIK or any decent behavior.
> That is the real problem. When you expect the world to end any day, you
> are not going to be inclined to make 10, 20, 100 year plans, or more, to
> "fix" serious problems. You are not going to invest in alternative
> energy which you will never need, you won't bother trying to improve the
> health, well being, or poverty level, of other people, since they won't
> be alive, based on your belief, long enough to benefit from any of it.
> All you can do is try to kiss ass, so you are not one of the "left
> behind" when things go to hell, and that means opposing abortions,
> apposing gay marriage, etc., to these people, not *helping* to make
> anything better. If it doesn't happen, you just change the date, and
> continue "hating the sins", while screwing everyone around you, until
> the next day comes and goes. Don't attribute some ulterior motive to
> these people, I know a fair number that "used to be" them, and they will
> flat out tell you that they **believed** all of it 100%, until they
> figured out just how badly they had been lied to from birth, about
> almost everything, and how much pure insanity was necessary to maintain
> that belief.
Looks like those people are making a pretext out of religious and
fatalist "prophesies" to indulge laziness and only keep minding its own
businesses while they swore otherwise, hypocrisy with "camouflage", but
consequences will get those people, nobody can scape that.
I see clearly what you mean, but if I think about it to much I get
worked up, so I prefer to think smart not hard on those issues, do all I
can when I get the chance and give myself and other a break, nobody is
perfect and change takes time & pain.
Cheers.
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