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5 Sep 2024 07:22:39 EDT (-0400)
  Re: 2012  
From: Patrick Elliott
Date: 21 Oct 2009 17:35:55
Message: <4adf7ebb$1@news.povray.org>
Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> I mean, the kind of willful distortion of Asimov's writings that I 
>> portrayed is analogous to how this movie is portraying 2012.  It's not 
>> remotely accurate, but *they claim it is*.
> 
> Oh I see, yeah, is kinda of disappointing to see a movie with that 
> background, but at least will be fun :)
> 
>> I don't mind fun movies that admit they're having fun.  I get 
>> seriously annoyed by movies which claim a certain credibility that 
>> they lack (re: Disney for more examples of this).
> 
> I don't get seriously annoyed by people anymore, if they're not prone to 
> reason then why try? they don't want to understand you, is "their truth" 
> better than yours, when truth is only 1, like love, either you're in or 
> out of it and I find true the saying: "Sit peacefully at the river side 
> and you'll see the corps of your enemy pass floating by", so my advice: 
> don't bitter your life in vane, consequences are on their way....
> 
> Cheers.

The reason people care is due to the unfortunate fact that, if you sit 
peacefully at the river, you may find yourself floating by, because, 
quite frankly, the sort of people that reject reality so drastically 
consider **you**, as someone that embraces it, a more serious enemy than 
the guy next door, who simply has a different crazy idea. This has been 
described by one blogger as "cranks flock together", and he gives a 
clear example of two loonies, both of which consider modern medicine to 
be an evil conspiracy, and work *together* to fight against each others 
windmill enemies, while having completely contradictory, and apposing, 
opinions on what it should be replaced with.

Or, to put it another way, for people that think the world is going to 
end, it doesn't matter to them if it ends next week, last tuesday, but 
no one noticed, or 2012, it only matter that it is **going** to end, and 
that you don't believe them. **All** of them consider you, me, and 
anyone else that says end of world prophecies are BS to be enemies, and 
if they get annoyed enough, they will screw all of us, then worry about 
which one had the right date. Same with all other forms of crankism.

As long as they have one single point of agreement, they will fight 
tooth and nail against that *enemy*, real or imaginary, and only *then* 
bother to attack each other. The Art of War presumes that all opponents 
are intelligent, practical, well read, militarily competent, people. An 
idiot will simply show up and cut your head off, while their neighbors 
burn down their own castle, because they consider your, sitting one the 
bank of the river, as some sort of horrible offense, so great that all 
other concerns not only can be, but must be, ignored until your are 
dead. This only gets worse if you have 3-4 such fools, all convinced you 
are a huge threat, and all of them clueless about their own failure to 
deal with the reality of their situations. You get 3-4 burning castles, 
and 3-4 morons standing over your corpse, oblivious to their own 
disasters, saying, "Hah! That will show you!"

Mind, modern fools are less dangerous to life and limb, but instead, 
especially in the US, it generates a wave of clueless 
anti-intellectualism, wacko ideas, etc., that make it look like the 
worst examples of ancient Fakir, patent medicines, spiritualist 
ectoplasms, religious idiocy, and irrational fear. If you are into 
selling fake "left behind" packs for holy soldiers to keep for when they 
need to continue the fight, should they fail to get raptured, or a 
billion other stupidities, great! If you plan to fix education, fix the 
environment (in a way that isn't gibberish from enviro-wackos), fix the 
economy, fix health care, or fix anything that *matters*, then there are 
100 million idiots that think the useless stuff is just as important as 
the important stuff, because they literally can't tell the difference, 
and a certain percentage of the truly lost, who argue, convincingly, for 
far too many people, that we don't *need* to fix some of this stuff, 
especially education, but rather that we would be "better off" if people 
where stupider, by making sure most of this idiocy was taught as 
"alternatives" to reality, in schools.

Lets put it this way. Someone in ancient times writes something about 
sacrificing virgins, which lands in the lap of two influential people, 
one in a society that doesn't do such things, the other in one where its 
common place. Which one would **you** be more worried about reading it? 
That is *almost* how bad things have gotten in the US. The level of pure 
crazy is so bad that you can show people in other countries some of the 
stuff that is believed as "common" ideas by some politicians and 
important people here, and the disconnect from reality involve leaves 
them either concluding that the US is one giant insane asylum, or that 
it has to be some sort of joke, and no one can possibly believe it. Why? 
Because such people stand on street corners in places like Australia, 
collecting random change, not running for a frakking Senate seat, like 
they do in the US.

If this movie was released in some other country, it would be seen as 
harmless. Here... You could, literally, make a movie that proclaimed 
that the world ended last Tuesday, and find some loony group some place 
with 400-500 members, who would say, "See! We have been saying this all 
along." The world ending in 2012? That isn't fiction to many people. Its 
so damn mainstream that you can find right wing Christians (and I have 
met them), as well as even some liberal ones (also met some of them), 
that think its proof of the even more overblown, made up, and tacked on 
later, gibberish in their own Bible. There are probably tens of 
thousands in the US that, if they don't actually 100% believe it, never 
the less are freaked out, and at least fearful, that its actually true.

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