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From: clipka
Subject: Re: 4096 pixel challenge! [image attached] (** SPOILER **)
Date: 6 Oct 2009 16:12:00
Message: <4acba490@news.povray.org>
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Kevin Wampler schrieb:
> clipka wrote:
>> #2, #12, #17, #18 and #19 (and #8 and #11) remain unaccounted for - I
>> don't have much hope of ever being able to dig them up...
>
> I think you got #11 right after all.
Maybe - possibly at a different resolution; the image was modified a bit
for the splash screen (and it keeps closing after a few seconds, making
it hard to take a close look :-P) so I find it really hard to tell.
> Except for #19
> I think all the ones remaining are less well-known,
Wait - what? So #19 is supposed to be better known than the others? Duh
- it really doesn't ring a bell in me. (Not these 4096 pixels at least.)
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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: 4096 pixel challenge! [image attached] (** SPOILER **)
Date: 6 Oct 2009 16:35:30
Message: <4acbaa12$1@news.povray.org>
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clipka wrote:
> Kevin Wampler schrieb:
>> clipka wrote:
>>> #2, #12, #17, #18 and #19 (and #8 and #11) remain unaccounted for - I
>>> don't have much hope of ever being able to dig them up...
>>
>> I think you got #11 right after all.
>
> Maybe - possibly at a different resolution; the image was modified a bit
> for the splash screen (and it keeps closing after a few seconds, making
> it hard to take a close look :-P) so I find it really hard to tell.
I think your "different resolution" hypothesis is entirely correct as
the image as also in the IRTC.
> > Except for #19
>> I think all the ones remaining are less well-known,
>
> Wait - what? So #19 is supposed to be better known than the others? Duh
> - it really doesn't ring a bell in me. (Not these 4096 pixels at least.)
I'd say that #19 is better known than the other ones you didn't get, and
I've certainly seen it used in other contexts before. Probably not more
well known than most of the ones you correctly guessed though.
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Ok, here are the answers! In some cases I've linked to a higher
resolution image than the 64x64 block was extracted from.
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#1 - Christoph Hormann - The Eye
http://hof.povray.org/images/the_eye.jpg
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#2 - Nathan G B O'Brien - Arch
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/old-competition/competition-Oct-95/arch.jpg
Entrant in the October 1995 IRTC (theme: architecture) and an old
favorite of mine from back in the day. This is clearly one of the
tricky ones, probably too tricky in retrospect.
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#3 - Jean-Marie Haerens and Fabien Mosen - Roger, Gary, and Bob
http://hof.povray.org/images/3b.jpg
July-August 1998 IRTC Winner (theme: Elements)
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#4 - Gilles Tran - The Wet Bird
http://www.oyonale.com/images/3D/mouille.jpg
March-April 2001 IRTC Winner, in addition to possibly being the
best-known povray image ever.
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#5 - H.E. Day - Drunk Patrol
http://hof.povray.org/images/8b.jpg
Came in second in the March-April 2000 IRTC (theme: The City)
H.E. Day had the bad luck of submitting this image to the same round of
the IRTC that Gilles Tran's Wet Bird image was submitted to.
Competition was rather stiff that round. Another nice image of his was
edged out *again* by Gilles Tran in the March-April 2001 round. In fact
#20 on this list (not by Gilles Tran this time) had previously knocked
him into second place in the November-December 1998 round. I don't
think he ever won the IRTC, which is quite a shame since he has some of
the most memorable povray images out there -- just bad timing on which
rounds to compete in I suppose.
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#6 - Mark Slone - Innocent Shadow
http://hof.povray.org/images/ishadow.jpg
November-December 2002 IRTC winner (theme: Frozen Moment)
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#7 - Mick Hazelgrove - The Preacher
http://hof.povray.org/images/4b.jpg
January-February 2001 IRTC winner (theme: Worship)
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#8 - Gilles Tran - The Construction Workers
http://www.oyonale.com/images/3D/creation.jpg
I couldn't find a place to cut the snipped that made this anything other
than nearly impossible, but I included it anyway since I knew a
backstory for it and, hey, you can't have them all be easy.
Backstory: My memory is a bit hazy here, but I *think* this is the
correct story behind this image. Back in the day 'Uncle' Ken Tyler used
to respond to posts so quickly at seemingly any time of day or night
that people eventually began to figure that he had to be some sort of
cyborg of full-on AI to achieve it. After his birthday an initial draft
of this image was made to symbolize the construction of the Ken Tyler AI.
I believe we knew when his birthday was because we actually kept a list
of the birthdays of the most active Pov users -- pretty cool!
EDIT: Looks like my memory served me well, here's the original thread:
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/thread/%3C371E0BC9.2F8F1927@inapg.inra.fr%3E/
By pure coincidence this happened just one day before Nicholas
DePetrillo posted the infamous "AWSOME ROLEX" image to the same
newsgroup (see #10).
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#9 - Douglas Eichenberg - Victoria's World
http://hof.povray.org/images/victoria.jpg
Tied for 4th in POVCOMP 2004, one of my personal favorites.
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#10 - Nicholas DePetrillo (self attributed) - AWSOME ROLEX WATCH!
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/attachment/%3C371e9151.0@news.povray.org%3E/rolexfr.jpg
Backstory: Ok, I lied a bit, only 19 of those images were made with
povray. Nicholas DePetrillo posted this image which he claimed to have
made in a rather irritating post consisting of far too many mispelled
words and capital letters. This was a few days after he posted some
renderings of an ocean which he seemed very reluctant to give details on
the creation of other than that they involved a lot of very complicated
math.
It didn't take too long for people to find proof that he'd stolen both
of these from other websites and neither was made with povray. Ever
since the phrase "AWSOME ROLEX" has come to mean an image which wasn't
actually created with povray, despite the claims of the author.
You can read the original thread here:
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/thread/%3C371e9151.0@news.povray.org%3E/
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#11 - Jaime Vives Piqueres - Always Running, Never the Same
http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1998-10-31/running.jpg
September-October 1998 IRTC Winner. It's also served as the povray
splash screen.
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#12 - Gilles Tran - The Big Fight
http://www.oyonale.com/images/3D/joute_1993.jpg
A very early Gilles Tran piece from 1993. He also did a remake of this
picture in 2001:
http://www.oyonale.com/images/3D/joute_2001.jpg
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#13 - Norbert Kern - Boreal
http://hof.povray.org/images/Boreal_big.jpg
The bird in the picture is subtle, but IIRC it's the only use of red in
the whole image.
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#14 - Sean Day - Natural History Museum
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2004-12-31/nhm.jpg
November-December 2004 IRTC technical merit honorable mention (theme:
Museum)
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#15 - Samuel Benge - Techno Garb
http://hof.povray.org/images/800x600/c_a_large.jpg
Modeled using a cellular automaton.
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#16 - Johnny Yip - The Last Guardian
http://hof.povray.org/images/guardian.jpg
Special award: Won first place in POVCOMP 2004, and Johnny Yip for a
very sweet workstation worth $10,000 for it.
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#17 - Gilles Tran - The Cubicle Workers
http://www.oyonale.com/images/3D/comptoir.jpg
One of my old favorite Gilles Tran pieces, from 1997.
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#18 - Jamie McCarter - Night Club Gallimimus' Warming Up
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/old-competition/competition-Feb-95/jmwarmup.jpg
Winner of the February 1995 IRTC (theme: music)
I love this quote from the associated text file:
"After creating the entire scene I gave it to PoV to render. Then,
after 5 minutes of parsing, I found my 16 megs of ram wasn't enough. So
I created a 20 meg swap file, and ended up running out of memory again.
So I upped it to 50 megs. I then ran out of symbols. So I upped
those. I then ran out of #declares. Unfortunately, PoV v2.2 doesn't
allow this to be increased, so I had to manually optimize all 3 megs of
the data file, carefully rearranging the data to remove the declares!
(programmers: hint here for a nifty little utility. Write me.) Once I
had worked out the declare problem I gave the data to PoV and sat back
for more than 5 days while it rendered. (Yes, I do have bounding boxes
intelligently placed)"
Makes me appreciate how comparatively awesomely powerful computers are
these days.
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#19 - Rob Strickland - Chain Reaction
http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1997-06-30/chainrea.jpg
May-June 1997 IRTC winner (theme: Physics & Math)
I believe he had to hack motion blur into Povray just for this image.
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#20 - N.B. and Glenn McCarter - First Strike at Pearl Harbor
http://hof.povray.org/images/7b.jpg
November-December 1998 IRTC winner (theme: First Encounter)
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> #1 - Christoph Hormann - The Eye
> http://hof.povray.org/images/the_eye.jpg
Never seen it.
> #2 - Nathan G B O'Brien - Arch
> http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/old-competition/competition-Oct-95/arch.jpg
Never seen it.
> #3 - Jean-Marie Haerens and Fabien Mosen - Roger, Gary, and Bob
> http://hof.povray.org/images/3b.jpg
Never seen it.
> #4 - Gilles Tran - The Wet Bird
> http://www.oyonale.com/images/3D/mouille.jpg
>
> March-April 2001 IRTC Winner, in addition to possibly being the
> best-known povray image ever.
Failed miserably to recognise it, despite expecting it to be present
somewhere. (As I say, the colours looked wrong, and several other
details seemed incorrect.)
> #5 - H.E. Day - Drunk Patrol
> http://hof.povray.org/images/8b.jpg
I remember this one well; just not the particular detail you cropped out.
> #6 - Mark Slone - Innocent Shadow
> http://hof.povray.org/images/ishadow.jpg
Never seen it.
> #7 - Mick Hazelgrove - The Preacher
> http://hof.povray.org/images/4b.jpg
Only seen it briefly - not well enough to really remember.
> #8 - Gilles Tran - The Construction Workers
> http://www.oyonale.com/images/3D/creation.jpg
Interesting how cropping it makes it look like the worker is facing the
other way...
> #9 - Douglas Eichenberg - Victoria's World
> http://hof.povray.org/images/victoria.jpg
Never seen this - which is surprising, because it's really damned good.
> #10 - Nicholas DePetrillo (self attributed) - AWSOME ROLEX WATCH!
>
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/attachment/%3C371e9151.0@news.povray.org%3E/rolexfr.jpg
Never seen it.
> Ever
> since the phrase "AWSOME ROLEX" has come to mean an image which wasn't
> actually created with povray, despite the claims of the author.
I never knew that...
> #11 - Jaime Vives Piqueres - Always Running, Never the Same
> http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1998-10-31/running.jpg
>
> September-October 1998 IRTC Winner. It's also served as the povray
> splash screen.
I recognised this. :-D
> #12 - Gilles Tran - The Big Fight
> http://www.oyonale.com/images/3D/joute_1993.jpg
Never seen it.
> #13 - Norbert Kern - Boreal
> http://hof.povray.org/images/Boreal_big.jpg
Now I'm puzzled. The (very grainy) image clearly contains red, yet I
can't find any red anywhere in the source image.
> #14 - Sean Day - Natural History Museum
> http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2004-12-31/nhm.jpg
I was right!
> #15 - Samuel Benge - Techno Garb
> http://hof.povray.org/images/800x600/c_a_large.jpg
And again. :-D
> #16 - Johnny Yip - The Last Guardian
> http://hof.povray.org/images/guardian.jpg
And that's a hatrick.
> #17 - Gilles Tran - The Cubicle Workers
> http://www.oyonale.com/images/3D/comptoir.jpg
Mmm, I'd forgotten about this one...
> #18 - Jamie McCarter - Night Club Gallimimus' Warming Up
> http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/old-competition/competition-Feb-95/jmwarmup.jpg
Never seen it.
> #19 - Rob Strickland - Chain Reaction
> http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1997-06-30/chainrea.jpg
Never seen it.
> #20 - N.B. and Glenn McCarter - First Strike at Pearl Harbor
> http://hof.povray.org/images/7b.jpg
I had a feeling this might be it. I should have written that down...
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Reminds me of "Eyeball Benders" from Games magazine.
http://home.comcast.net/~rawieland4/5MinuteBof/EyeballBenders/eyeballbender.html
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Darren New wrote:
> Reminds me of "Eyeball Benders" from Games magazine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~rawieland4/5MinuteBof/EyeballBenders/eyeballbender.html
I clearly lack the necessary domain knowledge for this one.
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Invisible wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Reminds me of "Eyeball Benders" from Games magazine.
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~rawieland4/5MinuteBof/EyeballBenders/eyeballbender.html
>
>
> I clearly lack the necessary domain knowledge for this one.
That particular set seemed to all be games.
My favorites were the extreme close-up of the little red triangle at the top
of the dial on a master lock (like you looked at every day of school and
still didn't recognise) and the cut-out of the bike spokes that showed no
hub or rim, but had that distinctive criss-cross pattern.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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>> I clearly lack the necessary domain knowledge for this one.
>
> That particular set seemed to all be games.
Indeed. Which I don't play.
> My favorites were the extreme close-up of the little red triangle at the
> top of the dial on a master lock (like you looked at every day of school
> and still didn't recognise)
...???
> and the cut-out of the bike spokes that
> showed no hub or rim, but had that distinctive criss-cross pattern.
I'd probably get that one.
Would you recognise the *sound* those spokes make when plucked? Of
course, today I understand that the sniffness of the rods causes them to
resist being bend, which adds a 2nd-order dx/dt term to the transfer
function of the system, which introduces dispersion, which changes the
resonant frequencies of the system such that they are no longer
harmonically related... but when I was 9, I just used to like twanging
the spokes.
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Invisible wrote:
>> My favorites were the extreme close-up of the little red triangle at
>> the top of the dial on a master lock (like you looked at every day of
>> school and still didn't recognise)
>
> ...???
In the USA, kids get lockers to store their books and such in between
classes. They locked with a Master lock.
Oh wow.
http://www.masterlock.com/school/
An entire page just about locks for school lockers.
> I'd probably get that one.
It's surprisingly difficult to look at it. You *know* you've seen it, and
you have to think "where is that *from*."
> Would you recognise the *sound* those spokes make when plucked?
No.
> course, today I understand that the sniffness of the rods causes them to
> resist being bend, which adds a 2nd-order dx/dt term to the transfer
> function of the system, which introduces dispersion, which changes the
> resonant frequencies of the system such that they are no longer
> harmonically related... but when I was 9, I just used to like twanging
> the spokes.
And what makes you think you're stupid again?
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> > #1 - Christoph Hormann - The Eye
> > http://hof.povray.org/images/the_eye.jpg
> Never seen it.
You have never browsed through the Hall of Fame?-o
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- Warp
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