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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 24 Jul 2009 11:20:44
Message: <4a69d14c$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
> too hard to ask that it continues to copy other files while it is 
> waiting for you to answer a question about one file?

I guess it'll get there eventually. :-) They *do* manage to improve it a bit 
each time, except for the focus-stealing under Vista, which I heard they 
claim is due to something about security but I can't imagine why stealing 
focus could be more secure.

Got up this morning, computer said "You need to reboot to finish..."  OK, 
reboot. Another 40 minutes of "installing #1, installing #2".  I understand 
why you would want to reboot, but come on, put a checkbox on that says 
"reboot automatically" on things that take hours to run after each 
interaction. Sheesh.  </rant>

-- 
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   "We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
    back to version 1.0."
   "We've done that already. We call it 2.0."


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 24 Jul 2009 11:53:59
Message: <4A69D916.3080905@hotmail.com>
On 24-7-2009 17:20, Darren New wrote:
> scott wrote:
>> too hard to ask that it continues to copy other files while it is 
>> waiting for you to answer a question about one file?
> 
> I guess it'll get there eventually. :-) They *do* manage to improve it a 
> bit each time, except for the focus-stealing under Vista, which I heard 
> they claim is due to something about security but I can't imagine why 
> stealing focus could be more secure.
> 
> Got up this morning, computer said "You need to reboot to finish..."  
> OK, reboot. Another 40 minutes of "installing #1, installing #2".  I 
> understand why you would want to reboot, but come on, put a checkbox on 
> that says "reboot automatically" on things that take hours to run after 
> each interaction. Sheesh.  </rant>
> 
The day before yesterday I was in the OR to record something on my 
laptop. After firing up everything (which takes a insane amount 
nowadays, I am really going for a clean install soon) then after some 
time it came with that 'finished installing critical updates, reboot' 
thing. You can click that away but it keeps on nagging you. 
Interestingly, the laptop wasn't connected to the internet, hadn't been 
so for a couple of weeks and was on for some days, with regular periods 
of sleep during the night. Ok, I can imagine that if you have an 
important update that needs rebooting, that you nag until it happens, 
but why does MS find it necessary to lie about these things? If there is 
no update don't claim that there is. In the end I clicked it a couple of 
times away and rebooted when I knew that I had 10 minutes before any new 
recording.


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 24 Jul 2009 14:55:20
Message: <4a6a0398@news.povray.org>
"scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote in message
news:4a697d21$1@news.povray.org...
> > After waiting for it to get to 97% of the download and finally giving up
> > and going to dinner, I come back after 2 hours to find a dialog box
saying
> > "This is going to take about an hour to install what you just
downloaded.
> > Are you sure you want to start it?"

> Hehe, I was copying over about 80GB of data to an external harddrive, I
> watched it for about 5 minutes while it was "discovering files" or some
such
> until it said 2 hours 53 remaining or whatever.  I came back a few hours
> later and there was a "Do you want to copy this file without it's
> properties?" dialog box and it had hardly started the copying!  Is it too
> hard to ask that it continues to copy other files while it is waiting for
> you to answer a question about one file?

Ah, but what would the point be for an *Operating System* to make managing
files easy and logical?

/sarcasm


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 24 Jul 2009 15:53:24
Message: <4a6a1134$1@news.povray.org>
somebody wrote:
> Ah, but what would the point be for an *Operating System* to make managing
> files easy and logical?

Well, technically, it's the explorer shell, not the OS as such. But yah. :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
    back to version 1.0."
   "We've done that already. We call it 2.0."


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 24 Jul 2009 16:35:01
Message: <web.4a6a1a5033922e415e2332f70@news.povray.org>
ah, where's that "yes" program when you need one?


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 25 Jul 2009 03:57:20
Message: <4a6abae0@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> After waiting for it to get to 97% of the download and finally giving 
>> up and going to dinner, I come back after 2 hours to find a dialog box 
>> saying "This is going to take about an hour to install what you just 
>> downloaded. Are you sure you want to start it?"
> 
> Hehe, I was copying over about 80GB of data to an external harddrive, I 
> watched it for about 5 minutes while it was "discovering files" or some 
> such until it said 2 hours 53 remaining or whatever.  I came back a few 
> hours later and there was a "Do you want to copy this file without it's 
> properties?" dialog box and it had hardly started the copying!  Is it 
> too hard to ask that it continues to copy other files while it is 
> waiting for you to answer a question about one file?
> 
Oh, hell. My number one pet peeve... Move a directory, or like 200 
files. ***One*** frakking file, like 21 files in is "in use" by some 
process some place, and you don't remember that, so Windows not only 
pops up a damn dialog telling you that its in use, it promptly stops 
transferring ***any*** of the other files. Mind, this may be like 3-4 
files out of the 200 that are in that state, and your just trying to 
move the other ones, knowing its going to be easier to do that, than 
hand select all the ones you do want to copy, and spend an hour trying 
to work out which ones you can't/don't want moved (i.e., maybe you don't 
really want it to move the data files you have open for Paint Shop Pro, 
but you "do" want to move all the movie files in the directory, or 
something.. But, no, the moment it hits a "sorry, you can't move a file 
already in use", it gets completely stupid, and won't copy any other 
files either. Sigh...

Then again.. Painshop Pro X2. Morons, for no sane reason, since you 
can't edit/open/play them, decided to do two things that are just 
asinine, 1) have it scan for "all" recognized media, even the ones it 
can't open, with no option to turn this off, and 2) scan all 
subdirectories in the path you have open, again, with no way to turn it 
off. Got a lot of damn images, clips, etc. in My Documents. First time I 
ran the thing it spent 30 minutes looking, then I nuked it. Second time, 
I let it run, and it took almost 2 hours. No idea why, except that it 
seems to also be scanning to "contents" of the damn files too, so, of 
course, a 800M video is going to take it a million years to look 
through, before deciding it doesn't contain anything else it can do 
anything with. Needless to say, unless they correct this issue, there 
isn't going to be a PSPX3 on this machine, and I still use the older 
PSPX version for all my editing, since it doesn't have this problem.

Mind you, the MS file handling annoys me a lot more, since I can't 
downgrade to a version that doesn't bloody do it. lol


-- 
void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 25 Jul 2009 04:24:28
Message: <4a6ac13c$1@news.povray.org>
Patrick Elliott wrote:
Hmm. Ok..

Temp3 is an ISA slot? WTF would be generating that kind of heat? About 
the only things I have in there is like.. a capture card or something, 
which isn't operating.

Core 2 is the GPU, so, that makes more sense.

-- 
void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 25 Jul 2009 11:20:00
Message: <web.4a6b225c33922e4177d6b68c0@news.povray.org>
Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcablecom> wrote:
> Oh, hell. My number one pet peeve... Move a directory, or like 200
> files. ***One*** frakking file, like 21 files in is "in use" by some
> process some place, and you don't remember that, so Windows not only
> pops up a damn dialog telling you that its in use, it promptly stops
> transferring ***any*** of the other files.

Better yet: *Copy* some huge directory tree - say, to make a backup - with one
of the files currently open in *exclusive* mode. And not #21/200, but, say,
#19233/20000.

"Copying..."

.... ages later...

*Ding!*
"Can't copy that file. Won't copy the remaining ones either."

Oh well, I'll close that MS Visual Studio then, and try again...

*Ding!*
"Target directory already exists. Want to copy it nonetheless?"

Sure, go ahead. We still have 767 files *somewhere* in there to copy.

*Ding!*
"Do you want to overwrite all that stuff you already copied earlier?"

Now remember that there's a "Yes Sir, all of them", but no "No, none of them
please, just the other ones"...

Raaargh! STUPID RETARD DIGITAL MORON, YOU!!!

(Knowing the procedure, I'm usually prompted for this exclamation already right
when it fails to copy a file in the first place...)


Fortunately, there's smarter software out there for such jobs.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 25 Jul 2009 12:47:48
Message: <4a6b3734$1@news.povray.org>
Patrick Elliott wrote:
> already in use", it gets completely stupid, and won't copy any other 
> files either. Sigh...

Yeah. Or it copies a bunch of files, then stops and says "this one is read 
only" (Move them all!), then another bunch and says "this one is encrypted" 
(move the all, dammit!), then anoother bunch that says "this one is a system 
file" (you just won't listen, will you!?).  :-)

> and I still use the older 
> PSPX version for all my editing, since it doesn't have this problem.

Yes. The file manager is a lot more annoying in X2. Why can't they just give 
you the standard open-file browser that would let you pick pictures outside 
the "my pictures" directory?

The scripts aren't nearly as good, either.

> Mind you, the MS file handling annoys me a lot more, since I can't 
> downgrade to a version that doesn't bloody do it. lol

The only reason I bought the new version is the old one would crash on Vista 
if you modified a bunch of files and then said "close, saving them all."

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
    back to version 1.0."
   "We've done that already. We call it 2.0."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Microsoft Arrrrggghhh!
Date: 25 Jul 2009 12:49:02
Message: <4a6b377e$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> Now remember that there's a "Yes Sir, all of them", but no "No, none of them
> please, just the other ones"...

Hold the shift key, or control key, or something. It's out there - they just 
(for some stupid reason) didn't dedicate a button.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
    back to version 1.0."
   "We've done that already. We call it 2.0."


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